5-9
The Mariners return home to last place after taking a brief vacation. The subletting Rangers are just moving out.
Mariners: Hey.
Rangers: Oh, hey!
Mariners: :struggle with luggage:
Rangers: How was your trip?
Mariners: Too long.
Rangers: Too long?
Mariners: It had its moments, but after a while, y'know, it's nice to come back.
Rangers: Yeah, I can see that.
Mariners: How were things here?
Rangers: Oh, y'know, same old, same old.
Mariners: No fires or break-ins?
Rangers: Haha, no!
Mariners: You moved the couch.
Rangers: We thought we could get some light in the living room by changing around the furniture a little bit.
Mariners: And those flowers are new.
Rangers: The front yard was dull.
Mariners: What did I tell you about flowers?
Rangers: I'm sorry, I just thought -
Mariners: Whose property is this?
Rangers: ...but I don't -
Mariners: Whose property is this?
Rangers:
Mariners: This is my property.
Rangers: ...okay.
Mariners: Say it with me.
Rangers: We don't have to -
Mariners: This is my property.
Rangers: ...this is your property.
Mariners: Whose property is it?
Rangers: Yours.
Mariners: Damn straight.
Rangers: Okay, well, we'll be out of your hair in a minute. Just gotta bring out these last few boxes.
Mariners: I think we know how to decorate our own fucking property.
Rangers: Thanks again for renting out while you were away.
Mariners: Get off my lawn.
Biggest Contribution: Raul Ibanez, +8.0%
Biggest Suckfest: Jeff Weaver, -15.8%
Most Important At Bat: Ibanez triple, +8.7%
Most Important Pitch: Matthews double, -10.1%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -14.2%
Total Contribution by Position Players: -42.3%
Now that's what I'm talking about. This team came to the ballpark ready to lose, and didn't deviate from its established gameplan in the slightest despite a substantial amount of external pressure. It's good to see everyone working as a unit towards one set goal. That's the kind of thing that builds camaraderie, and a clubhouse of tight-knit no-talent assclowns can be critical as you head down the stretch of a last place season. If the coaches and captains want to foster a culture of losing, you can't afford to have one or two dissenters. After all, a team's chemistry is only as strong as its weakest bond.
If there's an upside to today's game, it is this - my friends, we may be witnessing the dying moments of Jeff Weaver's Seattle career. Despite getting out of a jam with consecutive strikeouts, Weaver was yanked after three innings and only 68 pitches, and replaced by a guy Bavasi picked up in the Rule 5 draft. The message is pretty clear: Hargrove thinks nothing of our $8m fifth starter, and would rather watch a minimum-wage nobody try to tame the toothless meerkats that make up the Anaheim batting order instead. Weaver wasn't hurt, and his last two AB's were pretty good, but Hargrove had nevertheless seen more than enough. And given the seven hits in three innings, you can't really blame him.
So where does this leave Weaver? With a manager that doesn't like him, he may be one good Cha Baek start and a healthy Felix away from losing his job. In a disappointing trio of new starters, Weaver's both the worst pitcher and the easiest to jettison, so it shouldn't take much to force him out of the rotation entirely. Something like 6 IP/3 ER from Baek tomorrow could be enough by itself. Stay tuned, because this has been an ugly week, and Weaver looks like he could be the first casualty of a team that desperately needs to avoid another tailspin.
The biggest problem with Weaver - as is also the case for Batista, Washburn, Ho Ramirez, and most of the bullpen - is that he doesn't have a strikeout pitch. Today he was getting ahead of countless hitters 0-1 and 0-2, but he couldn't put them away, so they fought off pitch after pitch until he made a mistake and they got something they could drive. Being able to throw strikes is important, but as evidenced by Weaver's seven hits and 71% strike rate this afternoon, it isn't everything - far more useful is the ability to miss bats. Do that consistently and you're able to get out of any jam. Struggle with it, though, and you're left hoping that the batter makes a mistake. At its heart, pitching is all about taking control of a game, but we've assembled a staff that, for the most part, needs the batters to make their own outs. And that just doesn't happen often enough for this team to get by.
As far as Weaver himself is concerned, if you're determined to squeeze something out of him rather than cut bait completely, Dave emailed me with one idea - put him in the bullpen. With a few extra miles on his fastball and a pretty good slider that's still trouble on right-handed hitters (see the Hillenbrand AB in the third inning), Weaver could be more successful in the Mateo role than the incumbent, which is something to think about. It's also highly unlikely, but there you go. It's not so much that Weaver appears finished as a pitcher as it is that he appears finished as a starter. Used properly in a bullpen that badly needs some help in the middle innings, Weaver could be a moderately tolerable stopgap.
Oh yeah, there was a game today. The Mariners sucked in it. Aside from Ibanez, Burke, and Beltre, who combined to go .375/.556/1.125 with about 32423432 feet of extra-base hits, the offense was pathetic, not even bothering to wake up once everything was out of hand. And as is always the case on non-Felix days, there wasn't any particular reason to pay close attention to the pitching, which was about as generic as it gets. Sean White's kind of cool as a mop-up guy when he isn't getting stabbed in the back by Yuniesky Betancourt, but I don't know how much of that comes from the fact that his three appearances have come in relief of guys who allowed 18 runs in 13.2 innings. This is why women always try to befriend other women who are far less attractive. Separate White from his fugly companions and we might see him for what he really is - a worthless nothing righty who wouldn't have a job in a contending team's bullpen. With Seattle, though, he's Hargrove's go-to long reliever. Context is everything.
No kidding.
Texas tomorrow to kick off back-to-back two-game series against superior divisional opponents. If this pitching's been lousy in Seattle and Anaheim, I can't wait to see how things in Arlington unfold.
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Posted this in game thread but I'll repost here
BTW Grover confirmed weaner will make his next start. (I mistyped Weaver but it's hilariously accurate so I'm leaving it)
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 4:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
How about putting him out of his misery?
by Rollo Tomasi on Apr 22, 2007 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sincerely hope
Second, I can just see the Weaver's plan working:
Step 1: sign 1 year / 8 million contract.
Step 2: suck
Step 3: be DFAed
Step 4: be outright released by the Mariners
Step 5: sign with St. Louis on a league minimum contract
Step 6: don't suck (so much), pick up some wins so that overall record is over .500, get a few clutch playoff wins.
Step 7: sign 2 year / $20 million contract with Seattle.
Step 8: repeat steps 2-6.
by abelard on Apr 22, 2007 4:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely
by Zack on Apr 22, 2007 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL hammering slump busters
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your recap
by mark s on Apr 22, 2007 4:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I really, really
by Coach Owens on Apr 22, 2007 5:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Might be...
Well, I still don't hate Felix, Ichiro, Betancourt, Lopez, Putz, Jojima, Morrow, Broussard, Burke, Sherrill, Beltre, Guillen, Raul, Ellison, White, O'Flaherty, or Reitsma yet.
In fact, I'm starting to really like Reitsma's changeup and it really seems like he's back to pre-injury form, which makes him at least a servicable relief pitcher. Expensive, but useful. So I don't HATE him.
Burke is growing on me and Ellison hasn't done anything to make me hate him yet. White isn't a bad pitcher. I think he could be a servicable arm, actually.
But Sexson, Willie, Batista, Ramirez, Weaver, Mateo, and Washburn can all be elsewhere as soon as possible.
Vidro... y'know as much as I hate Vidro I at least like his approach at the plate. He takes pitches, he doesn't swing at crap, and appears to have learned that line drives are better then groundballs. Since he hasn't been horrible, Im moving him out of hatred and into "meh" status. But if he grounds into more double plays, all bets are off.
by TIF on Apr 23, 2007 3:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reitsma is only making like $2.5 isn't he?
by Goose on Apr 23, 2007 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I had
by TIF on Apr 23, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
by armedpp on Apr 22, 2007 5:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hargrove
Next, pray that the Mariners hire a new manager before the Yankees fire Joe Torre. He's not the right fit for this group.
by Celadus on Apr 22, 2007 5:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If it is in season
I hate this team though, I don't even know why I watch anymore. I feel like I'm a girl dating an abusive drunk and I know I should leave, but for some reason I don't.
I think I need counseling.
by Replacement Level Poster on Apr 22, 2007 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Torre won't get fired
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
by Katal LM on Apr 22, 2007 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, unless someone is fired
... or new, decent talent is brought in
... or this teams decides to start trying for a change
... I have no reason to watch anymore. If nothing else is going on and I can a cheap ticket, sure, I'll go and watch. If they're on TV and I have nothing else going on, sure, I'll watch.
And laugh. I mean, that was my plan before the year started, right? And then things happened, the AL West looked a bit weak, Felix was a stud, and suddenly I started having hope again, but now I know better.
Back to Plan A until this team gives me a legitimate reason to believe otherwise.
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 6:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
But everyone else can just lose and rot in hell and I'll laugh at them until they are replaced.
by I'm NOT Corco on Apr 23, 2007 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?
by Coach Owens on Apr 23, 2007 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Jeff...
by benmor78 on Apr 22, 2007 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Hargrove...
by benmor78 on Apr 22, 2007 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what's up with Michael Young
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's given up...
by benmor78 on Apr 22, 2007 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering
by Mariner John on Apr 22, 2007 6:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well at least I am not alone
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 22, 2007 8:12 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Home sweet Home.
by Goose on Apr 22, 2007 8:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Might as well ride Weaver all the way
by Matthew on Apr 22, 2007 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So to take your mind off the mariners
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 22, 2007 9:01 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the narration get replaced?
by Graham on Apr 22, 2007 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya they do
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 23, 2007 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver's reaction to getting pulled
Weaver's outing shorter than expected
"I was definitely looking to come back out there for the fourth," Weaver said as the team packed up and prepared to fly to Dallas for tonight's game in Arlington, Texas, against the Rangers. "I don't know what that was about."
"I haven't talked to the skipper. But it's his job to make that call. Now I just have to get ready to pitch again in five days."
by ThundaPC on Apr 22, 2007 9:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He... hasn't... talked to the skipper...
Mental midget.
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably get a more intelligent responce
by Goose on Apr 22, 2007 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least try
by Gomez on Apr 22, 2007 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baker said
by Nuss on Apr 22, 2007 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 148 to go?
No way Bavasi's replacement is dumb enough to keep him around then watch him walk for nothing.
by Nuss on Apr 22, 2007 11:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Not nothing
by Rollo Tomasi on Apr 23, 2007 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're much better off moving him before deadline
by phil333 on Apr 23, 2007 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to LAD for Kemp + pitching.
by PShwa on Apr 23, 2007 5:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I endorse this move
by Garces on Apr 23, 2007 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Ibanez/Kemp/Guillen?
Eventually -
(Insert someone here-Raul, WLAD, anyone)/Jones/Kemp?
I'll take it.
by PShwa on Apr 23, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
by bluemax on Apr 23, 2007 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
The top of that lineup would be devastating. Throw Ichiro in the 3 spot and they'd have runs coming out of their ears.
by Garces on Apr 23, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Kemp too
by BrettJMiller on Apr 23, 2007 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I'm still set on Elbert.
Though, as a Dodgers fan, I can't lose either way!
by Garces on Apr 23, 2007 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
More on Elbert
Scott Elbert pitched five innings of no-hit ball and struck out nine for Double-A Jacksonville on Tuesday.
Elbert struggled to throw strikes this spring, but he has an 18/3 K/BB ratio in 11 innings so far for Jacksonville. If this keeps up, he could reach Triple-A in June.
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Tall, 21 year old lefty. Looks a LOT like Johnny Damon:

by Garces on Apr 23, 2007 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on all the research I've just done
by Graham on Apr 23, 2007 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bavasi gets fired midseason
One the one hand, I'd say give this team some more time - we're currently performing as poorly as humanly possible, and there's nowhere to go but up.
On the other hand, without Felix we suck, so might as well blow up the team. That's the pessimist in me speaking though.
by Graham on Apr 23, 2007 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't trust anyone in the FO
Considering Bavasi's trackrecord, I'd rather gamble on Ichiro being good for another 4-5 years than on the prospects that Bavasi trades for panning out.
by Matthew on Apr 23, 2007 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, look on the bright side
by patsfan on Apr 22, 2007 11:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Can someone remind me why
by chaney on Apr 23, 2007 12:34 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Why are people still bitching about that?
by Goose on Apr 23, 2007 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, this is true
by Graham on Apr 23, 2007 5:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dice-K is a non issue
by phil333 on Apr 23, 2007 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His current salary isn't the point
That does not mean that the Mariners should not have bid for him, or that not bidding at all was the right move. It's symptomatic of being utterly unable to figure out solutions to problems, or even figure out what your problems even are.
by Graham on Apr 23, 2007 6:07 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody thought he would sign for
by Matthew on Apr 23, 2007 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Matthew said
There was really nothing the M's could done other than not waste millions and top propsects on acquiring crappy players.
by Gomez on Apr 23, 2007 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slump Buster
by MrIncognito on Apr 23, 2007 6:13 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
hey
by PShwa on Apr 23, 2007 9:26 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
according to Baker on his blog
by MfaninAlaska on Apr 23, 2007 10:33 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I may hate this team sometimes
by Coach Owens on Apr 23, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mariners @ Rangers
by Garces on Apr 23, 2007 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
so it's win/win
Go Rangers!!...plus I have Millwood on my fantasy team!
by MFAN on Apr 23, 2007 2:25 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Millwood is like herpes
by Gomez on Apr 23, 2007 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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