weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 19, 2007 12:43 PM PST
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PrintJust in case you were still holding out a little hope, John Hickey is right there to deliver a swift kick to the abdomen:
Because of that, he gets lots of ground ball outs. How good a fit would that be in Safeco Field, a place that better accommodates fly ball pitchers?
We're close to finding out, because the Mariners could announce they're signing him as early as Thursday.
...
Silva is likely to be introduced to Seattle sometime Thursday.
In the race for Carlos Silva in which the loser ends up with Kyle Lohse, nobody wins.
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Oh...
by PositivePaul on Dec 19, 2007 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
Quote
No, talent is something the Mariners could use much more of.
Same Old Same Old
As far as owners and in fact anyone with a significant financial stake in the team is concerned, there is nothing wrong with this team or its management as long as it is making a sufficient amount of money.
Ask yourself this question: is the team making a sufficient amount of money? As long as the answer is yes, Armstrong/Lincoln will be here until they choose to leave.
by Celadus on Dec 19, 2007 1:09 PM PST reply actions
Maybe this is the first in a series of moves
Or maybe it's just another in a long line of shit moves.
by Bender on Dec 19, 2007 1:29 PM PST reply actions
Reading his comment, I felt like a soldier in WWI
With this team there's never a wall :(
Hmmm.
I'd rather have Vidro's glove at first than Raul's.
by PositivePaul on Dec 19, 2007 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
If he's a young veteran
Maybe he has been through battles
God
everyone seemed to agree sexson was an above average defender and that lopez was the infield's problem
one person accused beltre of juicing
wowwww
by mariners124m on Dec 19, 2007 1:40 PM PST reply actions
do steroids/HGH promote more grittiness as well?
by seattlebruin on Dec 19, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
i'm pretty sure grit itself
by mariners124m on Dec 19, 2007 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure
by mariners124m on Dec 19, 2007 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I read the comments too
wow
things we learned from this comment on hickey's blog (yes this was the guy who thinks King Awesome was juicing, not just having a career year in the JV league)
- richie sexson has a batting average of 14,000,000. that also makes his OBP amazing btw
- richie sexson is a solid fielder. the only thing he does well in the field is be tall (but to be fair, thats a big advantage given where some of yuni's throws end up)
- steroids and HGH build muscle, which clearly helps hand-eye coordination, eyesight, and reflexes. interesting. that explains why all those crappy AAAA players named in the mitchell report were such good hitters at some point... lol
by seattlebruin on Dec 19, 2007 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you
So embarrassing. But man, it can be so fun.
And this is why
Quite painful
I think the M's FO must read the blogs.
Jeff (et al) advocates OBP guys, and they go pick up Vidro.
They read about groundball pitchers, and they trade for HoRam and sign Silva.
It's like they just pick one statistic and run with it, regardless of the others or the cost. Put all MLB players into a spreadsheet and sort on the stat-o-the-day, then go grab all the available guys at the top. A 5-year-old could do this.
Silva isn't even that great of a groundballer
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 19, 2007 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ok, but Sean White/HoRam/Lehr even Reitsma
let's just keep an eye out for an odd press conference on how great beer is, and his pursuit of the top winter ales on the market this year.
'I know Horacio didn't have a great year...
by Graham MacAree on Dec 19, 2007 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Much like Horacio.
I dunno . . .
And there, ladies and gents,
Oh, it was definitely part of the plan
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 19, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Am I the only one who isn't
I know it's quite a bad move, but the alternatives could be MUCH worse. If we get Silva, there's less of a chance Bavasi is going to get fleeced in trades for SPs. We might actually see Brandon Morrow pitch in AAA, and AJ in LF or RF next season.
It's a setback, but nowhere close to a disaster (which could result from a trade). Imagine that: Heathcliff Slocumb for Varitek/Lowe part 2.
Only we would be satisfied
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 19, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
Oh heck
by PositivePaul on Dec 19, 2007 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
is it wrong
by seattlebruin on Dec 19, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
thought
by seattlebruin on Dec 19, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
Orange County wins.
Maybe when the Sonics leave
by Bender on Dec 19, 2007 3:17 PM PST reply actions
Expectations
You read that correctly.
I figured he'd trade
as long as the groundskeepers
by seattlebruin on Dec 19, 2007 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
Adam Jones to Atlanta
by Graham MacAree on Dec 19, 2007 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
wonderful
woooooo!!!!!
by seattlebruin on Dec 19, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Atlanta asked for a PTBNL Retroactively.
I wonder how Bavasi did in college
Bill: But, check this out, I got this new shiny pen that cost $40 bucks from the bookstore.
Professor: Why did you do that?
Bill: Because I get a new notebook or pen every year so I can show my parents the receipts from the college bookstore.
Professor: Umm, well, did you ever buy any books for the class from the bookstore?
Bill: Well, I thought about it, but decided I'd trade my car for some notes on WWII from a guy at Starbucks who took this class 20 years ago.
Professor: You do realize that that this class is about the New World, and does not go into detail on that.
Bill: Well, I figured, the notes have been through wars...well, are about wars, so they should be very helpful!
Professor: :sigh: But you traded your new, paid off car!
Bill: My parents said if I get good grades, they'll buy me a new car, so I figured my old one was expendable. Besides, some guy in my frat, Jim Bowden, said he'd give me a ride home if I did him some favors
SPRING BREAK!!!!! WOOOOOO!!!!!!
This is not one of them.
So...
Gil Meche, 55/5 or Carlos Silva, 44/4.
I know, such evil reminders.
Favor the Bold
It's cry time.
The Mariners and free agent right-hander Carlos Silva have reached agreement on a multiyear contract, according to an American League source, and the deal could be finalized as early as Thursday, pending the outcome of a physical.
Club officials contacted late Wednesday afternoon would not confirm the signing, however.
Once again
The signing doesn't baffle me
That's what's truly baffling.
It's going to be fascinating
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 19, 2007 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
My Guess
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 19, 2007 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
That is what I will do when I win megamillions...
It won't work
It's not the lack of innovation, etc...
Favor the Bold
Seriously
So he signed a mediocre free agent starting pitcher at about the going rate. I mean, it's not like he did any real damage to the team with this move, and is Silva really any worse with whoever else you might have reasonably expected to get to fill out the rotation?
No and so what?
No, but it's not all that good either.
On top of that, this deal serves as a reminder that our FO is pretty weak. There are better ways to build a team but our management typically chooses the worst and most obvious route.
n/s
I think this sentence sums it up better than most anything else you can say.
Scenic Shoreline, eh?
Except that I was in California at the time....
The screams might still be echoing.
Our Fearless Pitching Coach
Well...
True
Detect-O-Vision likes him
This is the first time I've visited it. Does that blog exist to directly contradict USSM and LL? Is that why it's there?
I dunno what you've been reading...
Favor the Bold
Not being snotty.
I haven't had much time to
Interesting that they don't like Geoff Jenkins.
by Tom C on Dec 19, 2007 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
Just his bat.
Um.... w00t?
Catastrophuck. That's what this is.
Someone probably did better ones than me.
Coils Larvas
Savors Lilac
Carlos Silva - Mariner:
Live Ass-Canal Mirror
I Rim Carnal Lover Ass
I Ran Loser Rival Scam
I looked that up too
I'm sure we had to beat a lot of team's offers
by Jake In Palo Alto on Dec 19, 2007 8:21 PM PST reply actions
that's a valid point
Silva in a nutshell? Comments?
-We need 2 SP. Silva is a SP. Now we need one.
-Silva is about a AL average SP.
-11M/year is what an average FA SP gets.
-Silva turns 29 next season.
-Silva has been extremely durable without being a workhorse.
-Adam Jones is still wearing a Seattle uniform.
Why we don't like this deal:
-Silva doesn't miss bats.
-Four years.
-There were and remain several cheaper options that command only one or two year commitments and project about as well as Silva.
-At least half the MLB teams are dumb so comparing this deal to other signed FA SPs is dumb.
-Silva is not well-suited to SafeCo Field.
Prediction:
Like Washburn and Batista, Silva is probably not going to get injured and he's probably not going to suck so he'll take his turn every fifth day or so, put up something around an average AL line and we'll get as animated for one of his starts as we do any typical 6IP/3ER/2BB/4K/1HR/15 pitches too many Washburn start.
Cognitive Dissonance
not true
Oh man is Krivsky bad
still disagree
Let's try a grossly simplified hypothetical:
You are playing a one-time only game and are given two choices; play game Silva or play game Towers.
Game Silva: Costs $10 to play and has a 70% of winning $20 and a 30% of winning $0.
Game Towers: Costs $2 to play and has a 40% of winning $20 and a 60% of winning $0.
Game Towers offers the better expected value, but this is a one-time game and it does have twice the risk of flameout so there's a utility argument to be made for choosing Silva.
I see our difference
That difference aside (and though you prefaced your hypo by saying it was grossly simplified, I hope you don't mind me picking at it anyway), in your hypo Silva would cost closer to $40 considering the years of the deal and the impossibility (yes, impossibility!) of Silva returning more value than his cost. Which again leads to the conclusion that there is no reason to like the deal, despite the "pro" of the increased likelihood of getting the maximum return - you're increasing your odds of receiving $20 by paying >$20, when you could have a slightly lower chance of winning $20 by paying <$20.
Towers' trackrecord isn't as good as Silva's
And the dollar values themselves were arbitrary. Changing them means nothing.
True and untrue
As for the the arbitrary dollar values, I think changing them means a lot. Your numbers implied Silva has a chance at being a winning bet; I'm arguing that under no circumstances can Silva return value equal to or greater than his cost, so the increased likelihood of the better outcome is meaningless. I suppose I can't justify that as a generality, but in the context of the Mariners it is - if the context changed and we were a team that needed a $20 dollar bill to reach the playoffs, and betting our four $10s gave us a significantly better chance at a single twenty, then yeah, take that deal. But that's not the M's right now.
you are applying the dollar values to a
By trackrecord I mean a record of past performance in a starting role at the major league level. Quantity and quality both matter.
As I understand it,
I think this is not an absolute truth but rather dependent on context, so discussing the abstract point outside of the context is meaningless (in a literal, not derogatory, way).
or another way of saying exactly that
Good point.
You can argue whatever you want,
Furthermore, none of us can know the Mariners utility function(s) and if the utility to the Ms of this move was 0, they almost certainly wouldn't make it.
The Mariners obviously have some reason(s) for preferring this deal to chasing projects like Wolf, Towers and Prior. Just because they do does nothing to cause all the good things about Silva to be unimportant.
The point is
I totally don't get the hate on this one
The other starters out there DID NOT project as well as Silva... mostly because they are recovering from injuries (Colon, Prior) or because they aren't as good (Towers).
We do NOT know what offers were out there for us to compete with... we can only judge based on what Kuroda recently got... and I'm happier with this deal than if we had snagged Kuroda.
It's the dollars
It's not really about competing for this particular free agent, it's about looking elsewhere than the free agent pool to fill a need. There's way more economical and efficient ways to find a pitcher than overpaying for Jerrod Washburn Mk II.
And the other flaw in your argument is that the M's will, in all probability, give up a huge chunk of the farm to get Bedard if given the opportunity. This team is not looking at a rapidly closing window of opportunity to win a WS; there's no need to mortgage the future.
Or...
Silva is the type of starter you should get from your farm system. He's NOT the type of player you get in free agency for those kind of dollars.
You aim for the Santanas in free agency, with even bigger dollars.
Or you aim for back end of the rotation with much smaller dollars, taking a flyer on a Prior....
It's not Silva, per se
Ask yourself: Would Cleveland, or Arizona, have made this deal?
Cleveland
Arizona was bidding on Kuroda who is pretty similar overall to what Silva brings to the table with a bit different skill set.
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 19, 2007 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
But with a little more work/research
That I have no disagreement with
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 19, 2007 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I would say these organizations:
1 Cleveland A+
2 Boston A
3 Tampa Bay A
4 Milwaukee B+
5 Oakland B+
6 NY Yankees B
7 Detroit B
8 San Diego B
9 Arizona B-
10 Atlanta B-
11 NY Mets B-
12 Anaheim C+
13 Colorado C+
14 Minnesota C+
15 Florida C
16 Chi. Sox C
17 Washington C
Would not do that contract for Silva, even if they could afford it AND they needed starting pitching. And that's why it hurts so much.
Well
Don't nitpick me :)
Still, you think the Angels would have? That's possible, but they're run pretty well - I don't know why they'd commit that much when they have other young pitchers.
You did include the premise
Yeah, that's true.
Anyway, I'm not making an argument. I'm disappointed. I don't like knowing there are people in high paying jobs that consistently make poor decisions and are praised for them.
I don't think the Angels are that smart.
This is the team that signed Hector Carrasco, gave Scot Shields a crazy extension, signed Justin Speier to a four year deal, gave Garret Anderson the contract he has, voluntarily played Darin Erstad at 1B, etc.
and GMJ
And don't forget
Was that such a terrible move at the time?
Injuries are beyond a GM's control,
Oooh. Controversial
by Graham MacAree on Dec 20, 2007 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
No, but that's not quite what I meant.
To use a football example, it would be smart to sign Peyton Manning to a long term deal today, even though there's always a chance he "could" have a career ending injury next year (although NFL contracts aren't guaranteed).
Keeping the football analogy...
Mo Vaughn's body type and skillset, even without an injury history, should've raised major red flags. Yeah, he killed the ball for a few years. Even a guy with his talent can't survive that long with Bucky Jacobsen's body type (and dietary habits).
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
to be fair to Vaughn
Walter Jones has been, too
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
Okay since I'm enjoying this,
Personally, I would have no problems signing Walter Jones to a "long term" deal under the provisions of baseball's contract rules. Essentially, you'd be hoping to get above average (but slowly declining) performance for the first 3 or 4 years of the contract, then you'd (at least) have an experienced backup for the last portion of the contract.
My opinion would be different if we had a young stud waiting in the wings, but unfortunately we don't.
But to go back to baseball, would you sign David Ortiz to a long term contract at this point? Not athletic, BIG build, but he can sure hit!
He's 32 now, so a 6-year deal would keep him until he's 38. Are you willing to pay big money now because he'll be great for at least a few more years, knowing that he'll probably decline in the last years of his contract? If I'm a contending team, I'd be willing to make that deal.
RE:Arizona
Exactly.
They also
Paul Byrd is Carlos Silva with a slightly better K rate and lower GB rate.
No.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 20, 2007 7:35 AM PST up reply actions
Mentality
No, the M's front office does not consider giving 4/$44 million to Silva a proper way to build a winning team. They did it because "they gotta get somebody and this free-agent guy sounds reliable". They would've signed Silva a long time ago if they thought this was really the way to go.
M's just did what other low-end FOs do, which always sucks.
So we are basically looking for one
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 20, 2007 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
There was an advertisement
I wonder if this sounds familiar to Twins fans.
Could this be some kind of divine coincidence? Are we supposed to nickname Carlos Silva the "Cat Genie"?
Hmmm...
the log
by OlyOle on Dec 19, 2007 11:21 PM PST reply actions
What is the possibility
by BringBackBriley on Dec 19, 2007 11:41 PM PST reply actions
Hurry up and fail.
Wed. 1130 pm.
From :http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/baseball/344215_mari20.html
Bavasi needed to get the Silva deal done because other matters need his attention. Seattle, which wants to come out of the winter with two veteran starters added to the rotation, remains in talks with Baltimore for left-handed starter Eric Bedard and with Minnesota for left-handed starter Johan Santana.
Seattle is considered by some the favorite to come away with Bedard. The Mariners' bid for two-time Cy Young Award winner Santana is considered a long shot.
The Mariners believe that landing Bedard or Santana after bringing in Silva would make them significantly better in 2008 and a contender for the AL West title. The Mariners won 88 games in 2007 but finished six games behind the Angels.
The Orioles and Twins are demanding that negotiations start with the inclusion of Seattle right fielder Adam Jones, who hasn't played a full season in the big leagues but is the best up-and-coming hitter in the organization. Both teams also have a strong interest in reliever-turned-starter Brandon Morrow and catcher Jeff Clement. For the Mariners to land Bedard or Santana, they will have to surrender some combination of their best young talents.
Who exactly is going to play OF for us?
Your cousin?
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
I think smiling is
hmmmm
POSITION: Starting pitcher
THROWS: Right
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-4/246
anyone else wanna put an over/under on his weight in yr 3 of the contract? i'll go over/under... 265
i'll take the under
by seattlebruin on Dec 20, 2007 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
hard to say
Carlos trains with King
by BringBackBriley on Dec 20, 2007 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
Jeff
by chrisisasavage on Dec 20, 2007 10:50 AM PST reply actions
Super Smash Bros. FTW!
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 20, 2007 11:08 AM PST up reply actions
From the Seattle team site:
"In fact, echoing a general belief, the Post-Intelligencer said the Mariners are now considered the favorites to acquire Bedard, probably because the Orioles are more likely to drop outfielder Adam Jones from the asking price.
Drop Adam Jones from asking price? Uh oh, I hope the M's have a better replacement for Lopez than VIDRO. Its the only way we get Bedard without losing AJ. Lopez/Morrow/Wlad/Butler-esque.
Keep AJ, Add Bedard and Silva, that might actually be a success. Depends if Morrow/Clement go in the same deal, that would hurt my feelings.
2B would be a gamble, Chen/Vidro/Ballgame/Giles/Valentien/Graffinino, yikes!
Why would the O's drop AJ? smells fishy, probably made up.
If it's true,
I deal for Bedard faster than you can say
Me, too.
Assuming it's Morrow + Wlad + Clement + 1-2 other younger 'spects, then, the only one from that group that I'd even consider missing would be Clement. I think Clement would be a hell of a hitter for Safeco, and I really really really hate to give his bat up. But to get something good, you have to give up something good. I'd much rather sacrifice 6+ years of Clement than 6 years of Jones, even if Clement's bat might project better in Safeco...
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 12:48 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately, I agree
A Morrow/Lopez/Wlad/Butler or Tui gets it done, but if you want Roberts, its gonna cost Clement. It would sting and I don't know (for sure) that we'd be better off, but we would get a couple good players back. Send 4 to get 1 or send 5/6 to get 2.
Yeah...
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
If we had both Roberts and Bedard
by JI on Dec 20, 2007 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'd jump on that deal faster than
Don't forget, Raul MUST be ousted from LF
by I Heart Silva on Dec 20, 2007 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah something isn't right
Personally...
Not saying that I'd pull the trigger on the deal, but it's something I'd give more thought to.
Well what would you be saying then, exactly?
by I Heart Silva on Dec 20, 2007 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Man that'd be sweet to get Bedarard w/o AJ...
by SethGrandpa on Dec 20, 2007 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Roberts???
no way w/o Jones
Or even David Eckstein.
No kidding
Maybe we'd go with the weakest platoon ever - Tug and Willie.
Yeah that would be swell
by JI on Dec 20, 2007 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Sure its a gamble now,
2B
"Free Tuglett!!!"
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
lol @ "Bedarard"
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 20, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
If we got Bedard without AJ
If we lost Adam Jones, what would we do about right field now that Silva's eaten up a lot more of our money?
I wouldnt mind this
Way I see it, if we offer them Adam Jones, why not just go harder after Santana?
Going Harder after Santana....
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
He has a no trade clause in his contract,
Now apparently Silva is his best friend, so you never know, but I think our location hurts our pursuit of him.
Baker: It's Official
Random thought on 4 year deal:
In a way, he's not punting 2008, then. He's trying to stay semi-competitive in 2008 so he keeps his job but preparing for 2009.
</strange theory>
That is a strange theory
For anonymous corporate types that's probably fine. Building a playoff-caliber club, though, requires a different approach - or, I should say, requires having an approach.
Agreed.
My thought is that Bavasi may in fact realize that he can't create a team that will make the playoffs in 2008, but punting it is punting his job. So he keeps the Mariners good, and - truth be told - he's not in a bad place come 2009 as long as he realizes that Raul, Sexson, etc., all need to go. This requires him keeping Jones (something that's rumored he is doing) and dumping Vidro, but afterwards you can create a really good team provided you do not depend on your starting pitching to be phenomenal.
If he had signed someone to a one year deal, while the deal itself may be 10x better, he will have to try to find starting pitching AGAIN in 2009 - and AGAIN, he's terrible at it. It's possible for people to recognize their faults, yeah?
I love your Christmas optimism
are you familiar with this man's work?
We Jews don't have Christmas Optimism.
Pardon my complete ignorance
None of it was unpleasant, really; I'm not trying to imply that the entire Christmas season apart from three hours of gift-opening is a death march at all. I've just heard the "Kids love Chanukah" story from several people, and I've never followed up as to why. I've always wanted to know - I think it's cool that kids dig it so much, and I'm curious as to what makes it so much fun.
The whole holiday is really for kids.
Here is what they like (not necessarily in order of enjoyment):
- The ceremony is short. 3 sentences of prayers the 1st night and 2 each other night.
- There are candles, which for some reason kids find fascinating. My 3 year old will watch the candles burn until they are out - a good 1/2 hour. That's like us sitting through a Batista/Traschel pitching "duel" the day after a 16 inning game when the entire bullpen is used up and B&T have to pitch until their arms fall off.
- Driedels. They are toys and the game involves coins or nuts or candy.
- Presents - 8 days in a row of getting presents. We give a little candy (Chanukah gelt) along with the gift every night.
- Traditional food = latka's = fried shredded potatoes.
- Similar family tradition to Christmas of the family getting together, having a nice meal, etc.
No need to be sorry
Number 4 is key.
I was at Target last night
Some genius Target employee had put one of the snowmen, which inexplicably was motorized so it bent at the "waist", right behind one of the reindeer, so it looked like the reindeer was being...well, you know. I laughed for about 10 minutes after seeing that.
Inexplicably?
I meant inexplicably like
I know full well why it was rogering the deer, and I applaud the target staffer that did it.
I applaud them as well! LOL!
I wouldn't put it past some of my coworkers
by Mariner John on Dec 20, 2007 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not Jewish
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Also, not being in a bad place
Oh crap.
I'd sue
If they're on break
by JI on Dec 20, 2007 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Rotoworld about sums it up:
this is what hurts the most
shall we just look to 09 now?
On the bright side
Still 3 months to go...
by JI on Dec 20, 2007 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Alright, so we lock up Carlos Silva
a) Acquire Erik Bedard in trade while KEEPING Adam Jones process. The next two years will be "interesting" with the team possibly being legit contenders entirely dependent on our streaky hitters. This team makes noise in 2008 in all likelyhood. Focus returns to improving offense for 2009. Then the 2009 season becomes all-or-nothing.
b) Acquire Erik Bedard in trade while GIVING UP Adam Jones in the process. Rotation improves but outfield gets worse reducing the effectiveness of adding Bedard and possibly cancel out any improvement of adding Silva. The team's performance "disappoints" in 2008. Team makes some offensive repairs for a 2009 run at possible contention. Then 2009 becomes all-or-nothing but more like slim-and-none.
c) Whiff on Bedard. Team only has a slightly better chance of finishing over .500 than last year's team. AL West officially becomes Baseball's NFC West for a while to come with the Angels playing the role of the Seahawks.
I agree
Then we get rid of Vidro (I don't care how) and put Raul at DH. Give Sexson a shot at reclaiming the #5 slot in the batting order (there's no way we can trade him.) AJ goes in LF. Roberts becomes our #2 hitter replacing Vidro. Then we just need a right fielder...
Well...
for streaky hitters our offense was remarkly
More Conspiracy Theory...
So, is there any way possible whatsoever that Silva is such good friends with Santana that he could talk some sense into Santana, enough that Santana actually considers looking this direction?
Honestly, I don't see the Santana issue being an issue of the price of his extension (the M's would shell out the dough for Santana, even after giving Silva a boatload too much, and likely having to grab an OF'er off the FA scrap heap for a year or two) or prospects (either Jones is one of the best young up-and-comers in the game, or he isn't -- and we certainly have complementary pieces to add along with Jones to compete with a package anyone else could offer).
Or, am I really the master of one-sentence paragraphs?
The Seattle Mariners of Caracas
//cue twilight zone music.
VENEZUELA!!!!
by PositivePaul on Dec 21, 2007 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
SPRING BREAK!!! WOOOOO!!!
by kentroyals5 on Dec 21, 2007 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
He wont
by BringBackBriley on Dec 20, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, Presser. Here we go!
4/48??? FTW?????
HE'S NOT TAKING #52 FROM GEORGE!!!!
NO FUCKING WAY
NO!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!!
FTW??
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Silva..
"It's not like, well, they are now, but Seattle isn't my favorite team..."
Reporter "What sold you on Seattle"?
Silva: "Winning team; pitcher's stadium; team putting together a lot of things; team close to playoffs, I can help w/pitching..."
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Split Finger...
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
"Felix can't carry team"
Um...
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
He mentioned a splitfinger specifically?
Maybe he'll pull a Putz.
You know who pulled a Putz? She did.
That's not quite how it works
by G_ on Dec 20, 2007 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I thought I'd try to kill it quick.
I fixed your post
//wonders how many more Hispanic names are on the list...
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions
This is stupid, but what does FTW stand for?
For the win
by Graham MacAree on Dec 20, 2007 4:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
That one makes more sense.
Yeah, that's what the FTW is referencing.
So now I get the reference,
Oh well, call me old, drunk or stupid. I have a four day weekend coming up, so I really don't care. :)
well now it's a meme
It's the 9th and we have a one run lead. Time to make a pitching change; it's Putz for the win!
You're talking to a guy who just figured
But this one was too vague me: "4/48??? FTW?????" if you're using FTW as "for the win". If it's meant as "F**k the what?!?" it makes more sense.
But like I said, I consult the wiki constantly to figure this stuff out (huh, "wiki" is yet another term recently added to my vocabulary).
I may be the only person I know
using "for the win"
Also acceptable is FTL (for the loss) and I'm going to make it a point to introduce FTB this upcoming season.
Bases loaded, down 1 with 2 outs and Raul is at the plate; we have a chanc--oh no, the opposing manager is calling to the pen. is it? yes, it is! it's a loogy FTB!
As the originator of this...
I generally, though, read "FTW" as "Fhat the Wuck?" and is what I meant here. Of course, the other usage could sorta make sense if we were talking about guessing the value of his contract -- Silva being the winner, and the rest of us, especially the Mariners, being the losers...
To lessen the confusion, I'll use "WTF!!!" from now on ;-)
by PositivePaul on Dec 21, 2007 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I thought the meme
Cheez and Fries, Dog Spammit!
by PositivePaul on Dec 21, 2007 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
No need to change on account of the ignorant.
But every once in awhile, I need some help.
FTR...
I'm with ya!
Just like I needed my Duden in Deutsch Klasse, I only survive here with Wiki and UrbanDictionary.com ;-)
by PositivePaul on Dec 21, 2007 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
This is the first blog I've ever actively
Even with my ignorance, it's still a ton of fun!
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by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't Sherril have to agree to switch numbers?
Silva just signed a contract
by G_ on Dec 20, 2007 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Did you notice
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 20, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yep...
by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2007 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
GS52=gone?
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
Ehh
by JI on Dec 20, 2007 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
He should change his number to -1
Yeahhhhh
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 20, 2007 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Don't know how much weight LL gives
You know, if Seattle were to go and get Bedard now, they'd actually have a frighteningly solid rotation to combine with one of the better pens in the league. They'd still need batting help, but going up against them in a 3 game series would be an ugly thought. Felix, Bedard, and then any of the other three can beat you on a good night. The only problem then is that Wash and Batista are getting fairly old.
Still kinda missing the point
weeeeeee!
(retches)
by eponymous coward on Dec 20, 2007 7:20 PM PST reply actions
actually
heh
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 20, 2007 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
4Y/48M
So really
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 20, 2007 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
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