It Was The Blurst Of Times
The Mariners are in serious negotiations with Silva on a contract that would be worth at least $44 million over four years, according to major-league sources.
I'll try to talk about this a little more later on, once I can get my brain to think in terms beyond how fucking retarded this is.
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I'm starting to wish
by david h on Dec 18, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I megaloathe this
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 11:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Megaloathe.
by Phildopip on Dec 18, 2007 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I sucked at pitching.
by JI on Dec 18, 2007 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on...
by tait644 on Dec 18, 2007 11:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
seriously
by wwbaker3 on Dec 18, 2007 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If this really surprises any of you
Whatever.
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 18, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
Anybody else wanna argue that the M's are one Bedard away from making the postseason, now? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller?
by pdb on Dec 18, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
If the M's get Bedard without surrendering Jones, then yeah, I'll argue the M's are a playoff team. But since it's assumed that landing Bedard means Jones is gone, yeah, I'm less inclined to believe that.
by PositivePaul on Dec 18, 2007 12:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again
As far as being helpful in 2008 is concerned, you could say the same thing if we hypothetically threw $100m at Livan Hernandez. So what? Money matters. Flexibility matters.
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just trying to be positive...
And we ARE bringing back Horacio...
>:-{
by PositivePaul on Dec 18, 2007 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Livan Hernandez isn't better than Ho and Weaver
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Weaver and Ho
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed. I'm happy its not worse.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 18, 2007 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who doesn't hate this move?
Or maybe I'm just a contrarian and overly optimistic?
by worley on Dec 18, 2007 11:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's better than
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 18, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Silva the pitcher is okay
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
Still, I think we need to be realistic about who the Mariners are. Seattle will never be like LA, NYC, etc - places where the best players choose to play. Our star players will have to come from within the system (where they have to play for us).
Or, to put it another way, the real concern is player development and having enough budget room to keep homegrown talent (Felix, Jones, etc). We can overspend on mediocre players (since we have money and no stars who will take it) as long as we can develop and keep our own star players.
by worley on Dec 18, 2007 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's true.
But, yeah, the emphasis should always be on player development.
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Kuroda
Seattle isn't a major market, and salary is only a single revenue stream for today's players. If they want to diversify their income through things like endorsement contracts or the high media profile that might translate into a broadcasting contract when their career is over, a city like New York, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles is just far more appealing. I think we've seen that at play more than once, with players like Delgado keeping the Mariners in play just long enough for bigger-market teams like the Mets to up the ante.
Seattle is in a better position than cities like Kansas City or Milwaukee, but it's not top-tier, either.
by zagreusmd on Dec 18, 2007 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
n/s
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 4:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh to be a
by Paytheline on Dec 18, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no no no no no no no
Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk
by Nick S on Dec 18, 2007 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Go Sens Go?
by ningwers on Dec 18, 2007 11:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is why trading away our future for Bedard
by Zack on Dec 18, 2007 11:14 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
please explain more
by eknpdx on Dec 18, 2007 11:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just assumed that we were either pulling off
I'd rather we do neither, but if I had to choose I think I'd give up AJ and whatever for Bedard than be hamstrung by yet another back end starter for 3-4 years.
by Zack on Dec 18, 2007 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be an improvement on HoRam
by chrisisasavage on Dec 18, 2007 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We won't get Colon.
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least we didn't get Dontrelle Willis
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not better than Horacio Ramirez
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 18, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew in my heart
by chrisisasavage on Dec 18, 2007 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you mean the price he commands
No, wait, you're right.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was on tv today
by phil333 on Dec 18, 2007 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it was on a commercial channel
by Last Fan Of Jose Lopez on Dec 18, 2007 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what happens Larry!
by Patrick517 on Dec 18, 2007 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS
by JI on Dec 19, 2007 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Simpsons reference
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OOOHHHHH
stupid monkeys!
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cause I fell on....
I fell on black days.
:(
by Slica on Dec 18, 2007 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well
by mikeA on Dec 18, 2007 11:41 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He's not even that good at GB's
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Painful.
by ryanhealy on Dec 18, 2007 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This should have been more like a 4/30
by chrisisasavage on Dec 18, 2007 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Look on the bright side
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 12:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse
by wadswerth on Dec 18, 2007 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Silva will flourish as a Mariner!!
Well because he pitches in the Metrodome and garners pretty good numbers. Pitching in a more pitcher-friendly park like Safeco would most certainly lower his career statistics, where he could plausibly post an ERA under 4, and a WHIP under 1.3!
Think of the positives! This could mean we won't be giving up the farm for Bedard as well.
A rotation of:
- Felix
- Silva
- Washburn
- B-Tits
- Baek/Morrow/RRS
Don't be so down on our friend from Ciudad Bolivar, Venezuela!! He might just surprse you.
Silva! Silva! Silva! Silva! Silva!
by I Heart Silva on Dec 18, 2007 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Quick and Dirty Calculations
That said, @ least Seattle's home park is a good pitchers park, and you have some quality defenders like Ichiro and Beltre. Betancourt and Lopez are above avg correct? (I watch maybe 4 Mariner games a year, so I could be wrong)
Anyway, your fantastic 4 some, Weaver, Baek, Ramirez and Feierabend had a 6.49 ERA last year. (I'm too lazy so subtract the few innings Baek and Feierabend had in relief) So in 367 Ip, they gave up 265 ER's. Yikes!
I know what your GM is thinking. If they get 180 innings out of Silva, with a 4.50 ERA. (Which based on his history is attainable) That 2 ER savings per 9 compared to the quartet last year equates to a 40 earned runs savings. 40 fewer runs allowed is significant.
In fact, if later you were able to trade for Bedard, and he posted a 3.15 ERA over 190 innings. You basically will save another 70 earned runs over the course of the season. That is potentially 110 fewer runs allowed than last year with a Silva and Bedard addition. I think that puts your pythagorean theorem @ ~ 90 wins. (assuming your hitting stays the same)
AS I said, quick and dirty calculations, so the numbers may be off. But really, when you can get a 4.50 ERA guy to replace a 6.20 ERA guy (Weaver) that is a freaking huge upgrade. Nearly 2 runs per 9 innings. over the course of a season, it adds up. (Plus the benefit of a more rested bullpen if your starters can go deeper into games)
The Mariners need 2 SP's to really contend. They have no real internal options correct? Morrow maybe? Meh. Silva, while he isn't worth this type of money actually helps out the team a bit. If this deal is coupled with a Bedard deal. (Very likely since the Reds will likely not trade Jay Bruce so I think talks are stalled.) Then all of a sudden, a Bedard, Felix, Batista, Silva, Washburn rotation gets you into the Wild Card and AL West chase.
Also, if the Silva signing is coupled with Bedard, they will prolly see increased ticket revenues as they will be fighting for the playoffs. Is it wrong to think they could up their attendance by 200,000 fans or more? That's extra revenue they will generate that offsets part of the money spent signing Silva. I think now the Mariners will go hard after Bedard. They can now be competitive, and that will translate into an increase in revenue. But without Bedard, they likely won't be a Wild Card quality team, and thus won't see that big bump in attendance. A 80 win team, will see about the same attendance as an 83 win team. However, if Bedard puts them up to a 90 win team-- then you have something.
I just typed way too much. I can see where your GM was coming from. From a business perspective, signing Silva in addition to getting Bedard,(Big if) could show some short term gains in terms of performance on the field, and also increase Seattle's revenue stream. Debating the impact of trading Jones, Clement and Morrow for Bedard is a topic for another day.
If the Pirates signed Silva, this deal would be awful. It wouldn't really increase the Pirates revenue stream. But, a Silva and Bedard addition to the Mariners would. Remember, this is a business. While it seems like it's a so-so signing from an on the field baseball standpoint, when you factor in other variables, it's not as bad. Of course, if the Mariners can't get Bedard, well then, you wouldn't get the bump in revenue and thus will be looking to compete in 2009.
I don't feel like rereading and editing, so there may be a few flaws. However, if you guys get Bedard with Silva, I think you are tremendously improved as a baseball team.
by m a u r i c e on Dec 18, 2007 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You're dramitically overrating our defense
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's assuming
Who knows about Raul or Sexson.... but anyone in RF vs. Guillen should be a defensive improvement as well... that's not to say the improvement will be grossly better, but there is definitely reason to believe there will be improvement.
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 18, 2007 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but that'd be nothing to do with pitching
If they combine this signing with being smart w/r/t defense, we could turn into an 85 win team with the potential to get lucky. If not, we got 2 wins better for $44 million more than was necessary. Hooray.
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our defense will be better
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even in that nightmare scenario
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
jeremy reed is a defensive upgrade in right!!
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Hypotethically if Felix improved his ERA by 3 runs per 9, and Washburn improved his ERA by 2.50 runs per game, then that would mean they allowed 110 fewer runs then last year. Why would you want to subtract 50 runs based on defense by adding 2 pitchers in Bedard and Silva? It's the same difference as Felix and Washburn magically improving their ERA by 3 runs and 2.5 runs respectively.
Defense doesn't matter here. Unless you are saying I'm overestimating their projected ERA's in 2008 because their former team had better defense than Seattle?
I guess it would be better if I asked where you got the -50 runs for Team Defense? Graham, if you send me a link where you got this info, then I should be able to answer my own question. Thanks.
by m a u r i c e on Dec 18, 2007 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
RE:
Yep, this is it.
And my defensive numbers are from my own research into pitching component stats, but the Hardball Times has team defense numbers here, about halfway don't the page.
by Graham on Dec 19, 2007 3:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not the end of the world
by rfloh on Dec 18, 2007 12:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
But he costs us a rotation spot for four years
It's a bad move to go with all of Bavasi's other bad moves. They add up quick.
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Costs us a rotation spot?
God forbid we fill a spot with talent such highly respected as Ryan Fierabend, Horacio Ramirez, Jeff Weaver, Chris Bosio, Travis Blackley, Clint Nageotte, Bob Wolcott, or Joel Piniero! Then we might actually have something going next season.
by I Heart Silva on Dec 18, 2007 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, you're saying that
I'd agree with that argument if he would be actually blocking anyone.
by rfloh on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's denying that we need starters.
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, Bavasi got confused!
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like this signing.
by Scrappy the Scapegoat on Dec 18, 2007 12:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They're raising ticket prices for this?
Yes folks, as expected, we're still overpaying for mediocrity.
Better watch out Angels fans, we're Team Mediocre and we're comin' TO GET YOU!
by ThundaPC on Dec 18, 2007 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
is this a done deal?
oh screw it, im just gonna get used to four years of carlos silva with the unfortunate knowlegde that whenever i get to a game, with my bad luck, he'll be pitching (i only got to two games last year... and the starters were... jeff weaver and jeff weaver. ugh...)
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 12:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Say it with me now:
by david h on Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i should repeat this sequence at least twice
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better not...
//Guillen-->Omar >>>>>> Guillen-->Santiago/JuanGone
by PositivePaul on Dec 18, 2007 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it now.
Failed physical. Failed physical. Failed physical. Failed physical.
by david h on Dec 18, 2007 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow:
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really, we couldn't have just tried to go all
2008 rotation:
Felix!
Mediocre LHP
Mediocre RHP
Mediocre RHP
Factor X
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 12:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's better than Kyle Lohse for 4/44
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
He will from us
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably something like that
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 12:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
on the bright side....
vs. LAA
6/20 W (beat Lackey)6.2 IP, 10 hits, 4 runs
8/11 ND 7 IP, 2 hits, 0 runs. (Neshek blows game in 8th)
vs. TEX
5/21 L 4.1 IP, 9 hits, 7 ER, 1 HR (Catalonatto)
8/17 ND 7 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 1 HR (Saltalamaccia)
9/28 W 6 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, 5 K
vs. OAK
6/2 L (1-0 to Blanton) 8.0 Complete Game, 5 hits, 1 run, 2 K. (Run was scored on a double play)
7/14 W 6.2 IP, 2 hits, 3 runs, 4 K
45.2 innings pitched, 3.58 ERA
by tkballer22 on Dec 18, 2007 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ssshhhhhhhh
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows...
by Phildopip on Dec 18, 2007 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
And Duvel
by PositivePaul on Dec 18, 2007 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Start the countdown
- Jones/Clement/Sherrill/Butler traded for Bedard
- Raul Ibanez 2 year extension for 2009-10 @ $10-12M per.
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 12:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's more likely
by david h on Dec 18, 2007 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Willie and Tuglett = Team's Whiteout.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if were going to be that depressed
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
by JI on Dec 18, 2007 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ichiro always wanted to pitch, right?
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 18, 2007 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we're tryiing to be as hilarious as possible
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 18, 2007 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or we could draw
imagine going to the park and never knowing if raul was going to be in center, or yuni at first, or richie sexson on the hill. actually richie playing any position other than first would be pretty damn hilarious
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we could
oh wait... they're actually going to try that next year
by seattlebruin on Dec 18, 2007 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Ichiro pitched from centerfield
by patsfan on Dec 18, 2007 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Ichiro played both center and left
it would give him a chance to really show his range and any extra doubles you give up would likely be neutralized from his 10AB's per game.
by Mark on Dec 18, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey hey hey

That's pretty good right there.
I'll be fascinated/terrified to see who they've got in the outfield to start the season.
If they can get Ibanez out, plug Jones + somebody decent at the other corner, get improvement from Betancourt... this team's going to give up a lot fewer runs.
Yes, I know the team will take that fact as evidence that their 'plan' is 'working.' I don't really care who gets credit or who knows correlation isn't causation and who doesn't. I just want a good team again.
by marc w on Dec 18, 2007 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll Play Devil's Advocate
- We don't incur the opportunity cost of losing Jones/Clement/Morrow or draft picks.
- Ten bucks says he'll be better than Kuroda, and we were about to give him the same amount of money. We weren't this low on Kuroda, were we?
- Bill Bavasi was most likely mandated by the suits to go get a proven starter to stabilize the rotation. He's forced into making a bad choice. At least he chose the least-bad of the options. Lohse would have been worse. Kuroda would have been worse. Raping the farm for Bedard would have been worse.
by oneiric232 on Dec 18, 2007 1:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you entirely
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't about the "suits"
As for point #1, we're not done yet.
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Misusing stats is worse than ignoring them
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree.
I'm just saying that his incompetence probably didn't have an opportunity to come fully into play here. I'd be surprised if his hand wasn't forced by idiocy coming from higher up the chain.
FIRE LINCOLN AND ARMSTRONG!
by oneiric232 on Dec 18, 2007 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, you're right.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Extra year is a killer
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
out of curiousity - why?
The scouting reports, or the repertoire in general?
Not saying he's gonna win a Cy Young, but I'm just sort of curious as to how this Kuroda Sucks idea took hold so quickly?
by marc w on Dec 18, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he sucks
And yep, I'm just going off what I've read on the blogs about his stuff and people's impressions of him, because Japanese translations are all a bit messy so I don't bother.
by Graham on Dec 18, 2007 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Silva gets bombed by lefties.
by JI on Dec 18, 2007 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ready to concede #1 yet
by pdb on Dec 18, 2007 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we could always go after this guy....
by ppl4life on Dec 18, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bavasi always seems to be talking
Yet it seems like 90% of the time that's exactly what he does.
by I'm NOT Corco on Dec 18, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ironically,
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wonder where that pressure comes from
by pdb on Dec 18, 2007 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We should withhold rage
until after the bolded term is resolved.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that like someone telling to withhold
by ningwers on Dec 18, 2007 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes actually.
by Librocrat on Dec 18, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
by Paytheline on Dec 18, 2007 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jebus
by Ben in Va on Dec 18, 2007 2:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Peavy's Extension = $17.6 mil per.
by SethGrandpa on Dec 18, 2007 2:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really don't care
But then, Silva is more in the Washburn/Batista class, in my mind, than the HoRam/Weaver class. Maybe others disagree with that. If we were offering four years to, say, Kyle Lohse, I'd be more horrified.
by chaney on Dec 18, 2007 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious
Is Silva a bad signing because of his ability or is it just because of the years and money that he's a bad signing?
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 18, 2007 3:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bad because of money
I am kind of bleh on this move. I think he is better than Kuroda but we got him for an extra year.
by Ben in Va on Dec 18, 2007 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
by PositivePaul on Dec 18, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Money
My problem is that Cha Freakin' Baek is likely to give you the exact same thing (and waaay more strikeouts) at basically no cost. Sure, sure, Baek gives up more fly balls. But that just means he's a better fit for this team and park, and is likely to give you a better hit rate/DER. Baek's too brittle? Fine, bring in a half dozen Baek clones from the minors - guys who throw 90, don't walk anyone, few Ks.
Or, you could've gone the high-profile route and nabbed Greg Maddux, who, let's face it, is better at the Greg Maddux skill-set than Carlos Silva will ever be, and was signed on a ONE YEAR deal for LESS money.
To all the people who are talking about it's what the market rate is.... huh?
by marc w on Dec 18, 2007 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Silva is competent
If the Mariners force Morrow into the rotation this year, then at least that means Ho is definitely out a job.
silver lining... silver lining...
by Katal LM on Dec 18, 2007 3:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah?
crosses fingers
by I Heart Silva on Dec 18, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Silva actually means to the team
So you see, Carlos Silva was meant to pitch in the NW.
It's fate I tell you.
by I Heart Silva on Dec 18, 2007 3:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sticker shock is wearing off
And if it's structured in the manner the other Ms FA SP deals have been, something like 6-10-14-14 then that's only 4/36.5 in NPV.
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 3:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I too am getting over it
by Jeff on Dec 18, 2007 3:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we get him for ages 29-32
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
T-Minus 60 minutes until 7 day weekend
by Matthew on Dec 18, 2007 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Must be nice
But then I'm a contractor, so if I don't work I don't get paid, so boo.
But four day weekends are good things.
by pdb on Dec 18, 2007 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If boring = wins
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 18, 2007 4:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is
by Paytheline on Dec 18, 2007 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard the Fail Boat everyone.
by Goose on Dec 18, 2007 5:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
LET'S GO ROYALS!
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Dec 18, 2007 6:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Major outlets...
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Dec 18, 2007 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I guess we just have to look on the bright side
by david h on Dec 18, 2007 9:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The should just...
Wait.
Favor the Bold
by IcebreakerX on Dec 18, 2007 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy as it sounds
by Jake In Palo Alto on Dec 19, 2007 10:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Miguel Batista says hello.
by JI on Dec 19, 2007 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So does J.J. Putz!
//still waiting for GS52's first years of arbi to be bought out, too...
by PositivePaul on Dec 19, 2007 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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