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Haren ----> Arizona

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for Carlos Gonzalez, Brett Anderson, Greg Smith, and three other warm bodies.

I won't pretend to know anything about the Diamondbacks prospects, but I will say that I'm happy that Haren's out of the division.                                                                                                                                                    

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Hmmm
I preferred the rumoured Cleveland deal for Oakland, I think.

But Beane knows what he's doing, no doubt. Haren is not a true #1, he's an average #2.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:17 PM PST reply actions  

I like Aaron Laffey.
I can't figure out if that's because he's good or because I can't help but way overrate extreme groundballers.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 14, 2007 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anybody know anything about the
players the A's got in return? I sure don't.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Only from the BA 2007 Handbook
Carlos Gonzalez was the #3 ranked guy in their system, great bat with blow average speed.

Bret Anderson is a lefty with good control, high 80s fastball, slider, curve, and a good change - very polished, apparently.

Greg Smith is another lefty with a high 80s fastball, good curve, decent change.

Goose is the guy we should be asking, really.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Eveland and Carter
Aren't exactly chopped liver either (Carter just got traded to the D'Backs from the WhiteSox and is a power hitting DH type*).

I know nothing about Cunningham.

*Or I could be completely misremembering.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like 2 F-bends
and an Edgar type.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

He's definitely not close to #1 quality
but the contract makes him one hell of a value.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 14, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah
that's why I don't really understand why Oakland was so hot to trade him.

by abelard on Dec 14, 2007 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Because even with Haren,
Beane doesn't think they can contend for the division this year. Looks like he's blowing it up, and Haren's talent-to-salary ratio is attractive to better teams.

Still, you'd think the A's could have gotten a better package.

by Teej on Dec 14, 2007 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah
but even if you can't contend this year, you've still got Haren for cheap in 2009 and 2010.  The A's are spending 8 million this year on Loaiza.  They spent 8 million each last year on Kendall and Piazza.  I don't get why they don't want to spend ~7 million on Haren in 2010.

by abelard on Dec 14, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Loaiza
was claimed off waivers by the Dodgers last year

Visting A's fan.

by Zonis on Dec 14, 2007 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Durability too.
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by rfloh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2007 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow
Carlos Gonzales is a mega-hyped OF prospect.

Brett Anderson is a very young lefty starter who put up an 85:10 K:BB ratio this year in the MWL, though he got hit a bit harder in the cal league (duh).

BA's top 10 list had Gonzales #1 and Anderson #3.

It's a good package.  

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

But still rumor, no?
I thought the rumors involved Conor Jackson....

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Valverde to Houston as well
The Dbacks also sent Valverde to Houston in exchange for Chad Qualls, Chris Burke and another player.

by cookiemonster on Dec 14, 2007 3:28 PM PST reply actions  

...huh.
I don't really like that for Arizona unless the third guy is particularly interesting.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 14, 2007 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Juan Gutierrez
Yeah, I don't like it either.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually liked that deal
Save for last year, Valverde's had an awful career as a closer, so selling high is not a bad idea.  Two useful spare parts and a potential 3rd useful player is a pretty good swap by Byrnes.

by Gomez on Dec 14, 2007 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm coming around to it.
Valverde's 07 isn't repeatable and obviously a career year. I'd put money on Qualls approximating Valverde's production in 08. Burke is decent insurance if and when O-Dawg leaves for FA at the end of the season and Guiterrez seems to profile as a decent 4th starter or so.

I think we could of gotten more, but it's not as bad as I initially thought.

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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweet
Playing the A's is going to be fun this year.

by chaney on Dec 14, 2007 3:29 PM PST reply actions  

Official
Link

I like the Haren trade. Don't like the Valverde trade.

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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:30 PM PST reply actions  

+Eveland, Carter, Cunningham
I have to admit, I like picking up Chris Carter more than a sane person should.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't he retire from the NFL years ago?
I'd think he's be too old to be much of a prospect.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too
maybe its just cause we haven't had any guys like that in our minors for too long.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

At least our farm system is getting better.
That's why I'm so leery of trading away Jones, Clement, etc for Bedard or someone like that. I like watching our own talent grow up and contribute at the MLB level (although that never seems to happen as often as I'd like).
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I was more just saying
that it'd be nice every once and a while to get a prospect that profiles as a 1B.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2007 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah we should at least draft one
guy every once in a while.  It seems like our plan is to draft guys at other positions and then convert them if their defense isn't good enough.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure seems that way.
Just once I'd like to draft a masher, just because he's a masher. I know they're not easy to find, but you'd think we'd stumble across one every few decades.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

We signed him as an old MiLB free agent.
But he has been about the closest thing in our system to that type of player in a long time. Kind of sad.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Not bad.
How does he compare to the kid from AZ though? I've always heard Wlad describe as a player who is average defensively, can hit the ball 24 miles when he makes contact, but has other major issues with his swing and approach at the plate.

We have a couple of OF'ers in the system like that, but I would kill for a guy that was a great power hitter, even though he has crap D.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Not enough of a masher
Think David Ortiz/Travis Hafner in the minors.  No defense whatsoever but killed the ball.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2007 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly. Although Ortiz was a late bloomer,
and his name was Arias at first.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that didn't turn out worth a darn.
Wasn't that a stupid choice, because there was no way he was signing anyway?
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

he COULD'VE signed
but drafting him was dumb anyway.  
Check this out - HS 1Bs return much less than you'd expect given the draft slot whereas college 1B draftees are the most valuable in baseball from 1984-1999.

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

They could have, but they wouldn't cough up the $
That looks like a really interesting breakdown of the draft, but honestly I don't have the energy to read all of it right now. But isn't it basic logic that college players are less of a risk than high schoolers?
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

The study doesn't separate CF vs. LF/RF
so it says OF and catchers are basically neutral.  HS 3B/SS are "better bets" and HS 1B/2B are the worst.

Basically, the idea is that the average college team is much more athletic/talented than the average HS team.

If you're a HS 1B, it means you're really unathletic (you should at least be playing 3B or a corner OF).  Your margin for error is much slimmer because your only skills are your bat.  

If you're a HS 2B, you better be playing next to Alex Rodriguez, because the 2B skillset is just a crappy SS.  Again, the lack of defensive ability means you must be carried by your bat.

by Trev on Dec 14, 2007 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

You forgot Dana Eveland!
The Kevin Jarvis/Jorge Campillo of the D-Backs!

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Brett Anderson is pretty awesome.
Cargon was expandable. And so far he hasn't really lived up to his hype and tools.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I should add
that Brett Anderson had a fucking fantastic year, and deserves that #3 spot in BA's list.

This is not a bad package.  
Poor man's Adam Jones + man-with-same-amount-of-money's Tony Butler + rich man's Campillo + some stuff for poor man's ace pitcher?

That sounds about right to me.  

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not a bad package or anything
I just expected Beane to find a way to get something more.

As a rule of thumb, I'm skeptical of all non-phenom pitching statistics below AA, and Gonzalez doesn't have Jones' glove (nor his bat, although he has a year to catch up).

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 14, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair
but I don't know what more he could've gotten.

On most any prospect list, Gonzales is in the Wieters/Snider/Adenhart/Brignac/Votto/Headley class, and I think it'd be a coup to get one of those guys.

I hear you on low-minors stats, but it's sort of striking to me to see a guy in that level put up a nearly 9:1 K:BB ratio.    Cut the K's in half and it's still an intriguing line.   I bet he's NOT a big K pitcher down the line, but with that kind of ratio his odds of making a rotation, even as a #4 guy, are higher than most.  
Most of the time you see teenagers with nice K ratios and meh command, or you see amazing ratios from college guys who are in the MWL at age 22-23.  

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Webb-Haren-Davis-Owings-Schezer?
Yes sir, I like it.

And if Rj is healthy? Man.

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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

Is it sad that Owings
Would be one of the best power hitters in the A's org?

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

..heh yeah.
They're considering trying him as the backup 1B next year to go along with his starting duties.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

They should just go for it
and find a way to get him some real PT.
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by JI on Dec 14, 2007 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a kickass rotation
especially given that Owings gives you an actual bat in the pitcher's slot.

by Gomez on Dec 14, 2007 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still trying to figure out who Cunningham is
Did he go to the D'Backs with Carter from the ChiSox for Quentin?

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:40 PM PST reply actions  

errr no.
Was traded straight up for Richtar.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You don't KNOW?
Cunningham went to South Kitsap high, so you know he's a hustler.

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah
I wonder whether a healthy A's team with Haren is better than what the Mariners are likely to trot out there I can't help but think how unlucky the A's were last year. Seems like they could still contend. They might still be the second-best team in the West, right?

by Teej on Dec 14, 2007 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, to be clear,
I meant "contend" as in contend with the Mariners for second place.

I guess I'm just looking at B-R's adjusted standings that showed the M's, A's and Rangers all within a game of one another. I'm not convinced that the M's are better than the A's with Haren. Seems really close to me.

I guess it's all moot, though, with Haren gone.

by Teej on Dec 14, 2007 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunno.
Looks to me like they got 2 pretty good prospects in Gonzalez and Anderson, 2 fringe guys who can hit in Carter and Cunningham (I found him, yay), and 2 fillers.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Carter=DH
His defense is pretty bad.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

No
OK, your mileage may vary, but c'mon people, Carlos Gonzales is fairly big-time as far as prospects go.

In between Jones and Clement, that sort of level.

To get two of the top 3 from Arizona's system is nothing to turn your nose up at.

This is nothing like the Houston/Tejada deal.  Of course, Haren is nothing like Tejada, so, fair play and all that.

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I would have thought Haren
would have gotten more.  Plus the guys they got look good but they aren't amazing.  If I'm an A's fan I'm probably happy though cause at least two of those guys will probalby pan out.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2007 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I love that Carter is the 1B going to Oakland
and not Jackson. We knew that Cargon and a young 1B would be going to Oakland, along with 1 or maybe both of Anderson and Max.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

Carter's a DH
I was wondering what on earth the DBacks were planning on doing with him.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

The Q trade makes sense and so does the
Callaspo trade with KC earlier today.

Hey look, a GM with a plan!

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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

So I guess that answeres the question of
weather or not Upton was gonna begin the year in Tuscon.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:50 PM PST reply actions  

Rotoworld on Gutieirrez
"RHP Juan Gutierrez was traded from the Astros to the Diamondbacks in a four-player deal.
Well, that definitely evens things up a bit. Gutierrez, whose name wasn't included in the initial report of the deal, was right there with Felipe Paulino as one of the top two pitching prospects left in the Houston system. Of the two, he's the better bet to last as a starting pitcher. The 24-year-old could use at least another three months in Triple-A, but he has a chance to be a solid No. 3 or No. 4 for the Diamondbacks in time."
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

The strangest thing about this trade
Is that there were rumours of it happening for a while. Remember the Hudson/Mulder trades?

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 4:10 PM PST reply actions  

The D-Backs were just waiting on Kuroda.
Once he told Arizona no, this deal pretty much became inevitable.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

True
but the rumors got it wrong (they included Jackson, not Carter).

Not a huge difference, but it's there.  

by marc w on Dec 14, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just used to Oakland
dropping random bombshells when they make a big trade.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 4:13 PM PST up reply actions  

There was also talk for a while of Young being
the OF instead of Gonzalez.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't believe Beane couldn't get Young
Kudos to Byrnes for hanging tough.  

w/o Chris B. Young, I can't see how this is a good package for Haren.

None of the hitters project as anything but 1B/LF/RF/DH types, which the A's seem to find and develop with ease.  If all the guys reach their ceilings, your stuck with an overcrowded slow team and paying a lot ($$ or prospects) for up the middle talent.

I'll grant that Anderson looks interesting, but everyone else looks like back-of-rotation/bullpen filler and the A's are smart enough to know they can just bargain-bin those guys.  Everland and Smith don't really add value to a smart team who knows those guys can be found for less.

Haren was Beane's best trade chit, and he couldn't get an Grade A prospect back.

[Of course, I'm sure he threw a chair when Minaya traded Lastings Milledge for Schneider/Church.  Haren-for-Milledge would've been a great trade.]

by Trev on Dec 14, 2007 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Jackson
Are people gonna be expecting big things out of him next year or is it going to just be a slow continous improvement?

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 14, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know. He had a pretty good 2nd half
in 07. But I think it's just gonna be continous improvement. Something like .295/.380/.480 in 08, with the chance of .300/.400/.530 or so.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

So to recap the D-Backs day:
Traded INF Alberto Callaspo to KC for RHP Billy Buckner.

Traded OF Carlos Gonzalez, LHP Brett Anderson, OF Aaron Cunningham, 1B Chris Carter, LHP Gregg Smith, and LHP Dana Eveland to Oak for RHP Danny Haren.

Traded RHP Jose Valverde to Hou for RHP Chad Qualls, 2B-OF Chris Burke and RHP Juan Guiterrez.

Wow.

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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

Indeed.
And the more and more I look at the Valverde trade, the more I like it.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, I think you guys might be overrating Cargon
just a little bit. I really think Anderson is the centerpiece of this deal. He's gonna be kicking the M's asses for a while unfortunately.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah
I really like this deal from the A's perspective

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty even IMO.
Arizona didn't really give up anything they're really going to miss, besides Anderson. But they have Parker and Max still in the system.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Different needs
Arizona may not miss those guys but they'll be an enormous help to the A's.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Anderson maybe. And Carter if he can cut down
on the K's. But it remains to be seen if Gonzalez will ever be able to match his hype. He has plate discipline issues and his defense isn't spectacular. There's also the issue of his power being a product of hitters parks.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll admit I don't know a whole hell of alot
about Cunningham, since he's only been in the system for a year since coming over from Chicago, but people smarter than I all mostly say he just projects as a league average corner outfielder or so. Though I have no idea how his defense is.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get that
He's at about the right age for his level and he's putting up almost .300/.400/.500 (which is Graham's holy grail of hitting). Defense isn't great and he's a bit small for a hitter but his numbers look brilliant.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing we're learning is that be weary of
D-Backs prospects who put up good offensive numbers. There's a reason Arizona is frantically trying to move alot of their minor league affiliates.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but he's only spent a year in your system
He hit almost the same as a 19 year old in Chicago's, putting up a .268 EQA in A ball.

.270 is major league average.

Not saying he's the second coming or any of that, but he has a chance of being a really solid bat.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe .270/.330/.440 in Oakland?
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd guess his median looks like
.270/.350/.450.

Ceiling is Gar, floor is flameout at AAAA.

All I'm going off is the BP and BA manuals from last year and his minor league numbers though.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 14, 2007 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

IMO
Eric Byrnes would be a good comp. Slightly better hitting, worse D.
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by rfloh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2007 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Enh
Byrnes had a similar season to Cunningham's last, but he was 3 years older and had less power.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2007 2:15 AM PST up reply actions  

The power difference isn't big
Cunningham has a bit more power, a bit less BA.

Yeah Byrnes was 3 years older relatively speaking at the time of his best season, but he put up a better line in AAA than at AA that year: 301-401-471 at AA,  333-409-547 at AAA.

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by rfloh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 15, 2007 6:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I've heard that comp as well. Seems like a good
one.

Just pray he doesn't do sumersaults and that he actually shows up after the All Star Game.

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by Goose on Dec 15, 2007 5:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I will say this though, all that depth the D-Backs
system had? Pretty much gone. But then again, since the team is all mostly homegrown and very young, I guess it's not that big of a deal.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

I think they have time to restock.
They aren't the Giants or anything.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 14, 2007 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

how
is Dan Haren #1 quality

by tristolio on Dec 14, 2007 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

He's not.
He's #2 quality. But he's a damn good #2.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I must not be seeing it
How is a guy who has been top 10 in the AL in xFIP for 3 straight 200+ inning years not qualify as a #1?

by MrIncognito @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2007 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of depends on your definition of #1
He'd be the best starter on the lowest third of teams, but he's not a shutdown guy like Sabathia or Smoltz.

Yeah, I know, "#1" is ambiguous. But while I don't think of him as an ace, he's still really good.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 14, 2007 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

To some,
the 200 IP doesn't count.
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by rfloh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 14, 2007 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

In his best year
He was worth 22 runs over average, good for 12th in the AL.

Meh.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2007 2:35 AM PST up reply actions  

The mark Mulder trade still makes
me weep like a little girl.
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by JI on Dec 14, 2007 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

So unless the Dodgers trade for Bedard
I'd say this makes the D-Backs favorites to repeat eh?
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:15 PM PST reply actions  

The run differential arguement is a pretty bad one
Especially for a young team like the D-Backs heading forward.
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

or Blanton
That the Haren trade drives up Dodgers demand for a SP is an added bonus for Billy Beane.
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by iglew on Dec 14, 2007 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like a good deal both ways
Haren' trajectory looks excellent, but Beane gets a fistful of real prospects.  Billy doesn't get Bavasied on trades too often.

by Paytheline on Dec 14, 2007 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

Anyways, I'm heading to work with a smile on my
face. Go D-backs!
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by Goose on Dec 14, 2007 5:50 PM PST reply actions  

yeah i'm glad he's gone
but i'll miss watching beltre against him. It was like he always hit him well. I'm going to go check the stats to make sure. i think my gut instinct is correct on this.
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by Brick on Dec 14, 2007 6:52 PM PST reply actions  

yay
7-16, 3 2B, HR

1.313 OPS

As stephen colbert says, gut instinct is what's most important. (watch his speech at the white house correspondent's dinner, 2006)

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by Brick on Dec 14, 2007 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

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by JI on Dec 14, 2007 10:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be sad over losing Haren
But the haul they got back was pretty nice.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2007 2:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't feel that way.
I see a lot of "ifs" in the haul, but I've never been a fan of getting 5 average-good prospects instead of 2 great ones type of deals

by Matthew on Dec 15, 2007 2:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Playing the percentages
At least two of them should develop into pretty good players.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2007 2:55 AM PST up reply actions  

In 3 years time
One of us can link to this thread at laugh at the other :P

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2007 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, I don't know why people are saying
Arizona "sold the farm" to get Haren. Detroit sold the farm. The D-Backs just sold a few acres.
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by Goose on Dec 15, 2007 5:19 AM PST reply actions  

Hey look, a GM who understands saves are
meaningless.

Byrnes:"Peña may get his chance this season, although general manager Josh Byrnes would not go that far in assessing his bullpen after the trade of Jose Valverde to Houston, the third D-Backs' deal in a Friday flurry that involved 14 players.

Chad Qualls, one of the players obtained for Valverde, and Brandon Lyon also are in the running to replace the flamboyant Valverde, who led the major leagues with a career-high 47 saves while earning an All-Star berth in 2007.

"(Valverde) had a great year for us, and did Peña and Lyon," Byrnes said. "As a threesome, they were a large part of our success.

"It's not easy" trading Valverde. "But saves sometimes are a byproduct of how a game evolves. We haven't determined with Qualls, Lyon and Peña how the roles will fill out. All three have had success in late innings."

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by Goose on Dec 15, 2007 5:33 AM PST reply actions  

Last one and I'll stop Corcoing this thread.
I love Fark. Their headline:

"Diamondbacks GM blows up team, scatters magic beans throughout the majors. Two-headed Haren-Webb rotation monster emerges from ashes"

These pretzels....are making me thirsty!

by Goose on Dec 15, 2007 5:51 AM PST reply actions  

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