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When Great Players Cease To Be Great

There was a time when Miguel Tejada was a terrific shortstop, a decent defender who could hit for both average and exceptional power. That time is not now.

According to the Baltimore Sun, the Astros have acquired Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for LHP Troy Patton, OF Luke Scott, RHP Matt Albers, RHP Dennis Sarfate and 3B Michael Costanzo.

This is what it looks like when the world realizes your superstar isn't a superstar anymore. Tejada turned in three strong years in Baltimore, but he also turned in an unimpressive one, and when that happens with a 31 year old, a lot of times there's no coming back. So, with two years and $26m left on his contract, the Orioles shipped him to another pathetic franchise this morning, landing:

Troy Patton: nominal top prospect in a bad system, control pitcher with a mediocre 88-91 fastball and a low ceiling
Luke Scott: generic corner bat with questionable defense
Matt Albers: 24 year old with declining peripherals and one above-average pitch
Dennis Sarfate: 26 year old minor league reliever with a big time fastball and horrible control
Michael Costanzo: 23 year old AA 3B who came over in the Lidge deal, good power packaged with a huge hole in his swing and crappy glove

Impressed? Me neither. But then, I don't know if you're supposed to be impressed by the return for a declining shortstop. In between tears, Tejada's going to have a lot of fun with that ridiculous porch in left field, but that doesn't make him a great player again - it just makes him a guy with the strength to hit the ball 315 feet. Even the withered remains of Craig Biggio could do that.

To me, at first glance this trade doesn't look like a win for either side. Baltimore gets out from under an unhappy player with a bad contract, but that money doesn't really help them, and they barely got anything useful in return. (Probably regret that whole Oswalt thing, don't you, Angelos?) For Tejada, a guy who just wants to be on a winning team goes from a laughable AL franchise to its NL equivalent. And as for the Astros, if this trade means they get rid of Adam Everett to make room for Tejada, then that means they unloaded six players (Everett included) for what amounts to a 5-10 run improvement. If they keep Everett and move Tejada to third, then that's a different story, but even then we're not talking about a special player, here. Tejada used to be awesome, but he's not anymore, and Ed Wade just swung a deal that won't even come close to making his team a winner.

What does this mean for the Mariners? If this is the beginning of a Baltimore fire sale, then Erik Bedard just became a lot more available, potentially with less competition if LA is less inclined to remain in the race now that it looks like they have Kuroda. But we'll see. For the moment, Baltimore just got even worse, and the Astros barely got better. Here's to watching worse organizations than our own flail around like headless chickens.

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Maybe Miguel...
...just needs a few more "B12" injections.

by dminutive on Dec 12, 2007 11:14 AM PST reply actions  

I actually am impressed
And frighteningly enough, I'm impressed by the Orioles.  There was no way they were going to get a good haul for Tejada, but if even one of those players plays a replacement-level season (or part of a season) the Orioles win, because as you say they're out from under a bad contract, and they didn't take on any more bad contracts in the process.

Note that "impressed" is a relative term, and I don't really get this deal, but if I had to declare a winner, it'd be the Orioles.  Which is the last time I'll probably ever write that.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 12, 2007 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

Okay, I can go along with that
it just sucks for them, because none of these players is going to be a star, and compared to what they could've gotten in return a year ago (when they knew they weren't going to win any time soon), this is a colossal letdown.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed
but again, this is the Orioles we're talking about.  The Angelos Era is not known for its good player personnel moves, after all...
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Dec 12, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Definitely not an impressive haul
Quantity over quality I guess.

With Costanzo on the team maybe he can push them to switch to cotton uniforms and also celebrate Festivus.

by Ben in Va on Dec 12, 2007 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

Or Maybe the O's View Costanzo
as a GM in the making, especially after hearing his proposal of finding a way to have Griffey and Bonds in the same outfield.

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Dec 12, 2007 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

and they woudn't have to give up that much
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Dec 12, 2007 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way
in case some of you are unclear as to how Tejada would represent such a small upgrade over Everett, Miguel Tejada is a slightly below-average defensive SS, and Adam Everett has the best glove of any player in the Majors, bar none. We're talking something like a 25-35 run difference in the field.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

True, but
he seems like he's got plenty of pop, why he was never given a chance to play OF full time in Houston was always a mystery to me.  Offensively, he doesn't seem like he'll do much worse than Tejada, and he's 2 years younger.  He seemed to hit lefties just fine last year.  Granted, the sample size is fairly small, just 763 career PA's in the majors, but if the O's trade him out for Jay Payton, they probably gain back whatever they lost offensively from Tejada, nevermind the salary savings.

Of course, this does always leave the question of who plays at short for the O's.  Luis Hernandez and Brandon Fahey do not inspire confidence.

*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Dec 12, 2007 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Question about the Dodgers
If the reports of Kuroda are true, do they bow out of the Bedard bidding?
As it stands:

Brad Penny - $9,500,000
Derek Lowe - $10,000,000
Jason Schmidt - $15,000,000
Chad Billingsley - $500,000
Esteban Loaiza - $7,000,000

Schmidt is still a health risk, and they could flip Loaiza to a real needy team like the Cardinals or Phillies in a flash.

Torre is there to win now right?

Go Fo Broke!

by eknpdx on Dec 12, 2007 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Bedard will cost a shitload more
He's actually good and doesn't have a huge contract.  I don't know if this tells us that much about what it would take to get him.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 12, 2007 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

It doesn't tell us what it would take
but it tells us that Baltimore's looking to sell, and with Kuroda the Dodgers are probably out of the running.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

and that Tejada didn't fetch much of anything
if he had, the asking price for Bedard would be higher than it ultimately will be.

If LAD bows out, and NYY, TOR and BOS are out because of division, who's our biggest competitor? CIN? CLE? NYM? I cannot think of anyone else that'll be really involved.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2007 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Well they don't have to trade him right now
If they are smart, they won't move him until they see a package they like.  If I were them I'd demand Jones/Morrow plus two more decent prospects.  (See Miguel Cabrera deal)  You aren't gonna get Bedard for a deal unless Baltimore is even stupider than I think they are.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 12, 2007 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Miguel Cabrera came with Willis though
it's not comparable unless they package Roberts and Bedard. I'd give them Wlad + Morrow + Tillman + Fear or something like that, but not much more for just Bedard.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2007 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

True
I guess I had in my mind Willis isn't worth anything but I guess he is.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 12, 2007 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think that's a big package for Bedard,
but then again, look at my sig.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2007 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, is there anyone on the O's worth see?
I know Bedard is good. If he is traded will there be any reason to see the Orioles in '08?

by mark s @ Lookout Landing on Dec 12, 2007 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

Quantity for quality trade
I'm a fan of 'swap expensive veteran for bevy of prospect and see which shit-thrown-at-wall sticks' approach to team building.  The Orioles weren't gonna flip Tejada back when he was one of the best players on their go-nowhere team, but hindsight is 20/20 and now that he no longer is that, this is as good a time as any to send him away for five random guys and hope a couple of them can help you in time.

by Gomez on Dec 12, 2007 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

Bedard
How come this doesn't mean they use Tejada's money to sign Bedard to an extension?

by philip on Dec 12, 2007 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

He doesn't want to be on that team.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Dec 12, 2007 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Because he's flat out said
He will not sign an extension.

More importantly, Tejada's contract had nothing to do with Bedard. They both hit free agency at the same time.

by Matthew on Dec 12, 2007 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I've read there is some doubt about his
actual age, and then you throw in the Mitchell issue, and he's high risk at best.
I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Dec 12, 2007 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Win for Baltimore
Look, I know Patton isn't a strikeout guy, and I know the Astros system is bottom 5 if not the worst, but Patton isn't chopped liver.
Costanzo is fringy, but he can fill a need, as can Scott.

Not saying this is Maybin/Miller II, but as you said, the Orioles had been talking salary dump.   This is a nice step up from that.

What could they have gotten for Tejada?   And no, you can't say 'trade him last year.'   Given that this is December 2007, how could they have done better?   It's possible they could've gotten something ridiculous from Sabean, but who knows.

All in all, getting a guy who's got a very good chance to be a successful (but middle of the rotation) starter and some useful-if-flawed parts isn't a bad thing.   Given where the market is right now, I'd say #3 starters who don't cost much are one of the most undervalued commodities in baseball.   No one cares if they're traded, and GMs are willing to spend $fuckton on Carlos Silva, Jeff Suppan, Kyle 'freakin' Lohse, etc.   Why?

by marc w on Dec 12, 2007 4:00 PM PST reply actions  

I would've called the Angels
I'm not sold on Patton ever making it as a contributor. While I understand that he's young, his numbers this year were not very good, and it's not like he's one of those guys who's trying to learn to harness a great repertoire. His ceiling is as a #3.

If he pans out, then Baltimore can look back on this as being a good day for the organization, but I'm calling it a coin flip as to whether or not that ever happens.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Although I should add
that you're right, this is way more of a win for Baltimore than it is for Houston.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 4:32 PM PST up reply actions  

What were they gonna get from the Angels?
I mean, it seems like a comparable set of guys would've been Nick Gorneault, Steven Shell, Marcus Gwyn, Dustin Moseley, and Matt Brown.  Essentially spare parts and a decent MLB player.    
*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Dec 12, 2007 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

They could get Santana + stuff
which I would like better than this package.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

O's already have a decent pitching staff, though..
If Loewen's arm has healed and his six starts last year were an indication of what he can do, Bedard, Guthrie and Loewen would actually form a very good pitching nucleus. Sure, after that you're options get much less appealing, but with another decent bat they could actually be a .500 team.  
*Visiting Angels fan* Never give up, never surrender!

by TheOptimist on Dec 12, 2007 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

5th starter
And Santana needs a guy like Mazzone.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No I did not
regardless, Santana. 5th starter.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2007 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually like this package better
than Santana+crap.

Santana's true-talent xFIP is right in the 5.00 range, and it's not like he's had a Garland-like string of beating his fielding independent stats.  
He's also 25.

If you're not getting anything with him (and getting Nick Gorneault WITH Santana is getting nothing), I don't see why you'd pick the Angels deal over the Astros.

I know, Patton isn't going to strike anyone out.   But if his walks stay where they were in the minors (and admittedly, that may take him a while in MLB, and the adjustment period won't be pretty), he'll be a decent #3/#4.   Then you've got Scott (who's waaay better than any Angels OF who's on the block) and Costanzo to potentially fill in some holes.   Not all will work out, but there's much more potential in that group.  

Now, if the Angels wanted to include Morales, that's a different story.  But if the center piece was Santana, then the O's made the right decision.  

by marc w on Dec 13, 2007 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not that big on Scott
I mean, yeah, he'll contribute, but there's a lot of Luke Scotts. Baltimore could've picked another one up for nothing.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2007 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

They kinda did, though, didn't they?
He CAN contribute, which separates him from whatever the Angels would've offered now that Robb Quinlan sucks.  
Besides, Scott wasn't the centerpiece of the deal.  He's a great piece to the trade, esp. given Baltimore played Jay payton and his sub .300 OBP in 131 games last year.   Scott right now is better than anyone who played LF for Baltimore last year, and he's probably better than their DHs (if he's used correctly, it's no contest.  If he plays every day, it's close).  

I'd just say that there are a lot of potential Luke Scotts, but it's nice to get someone who actually HAS put up a 125OPS+ over 660 ABs instead of somebody who might, given his AAA numbers.   I thought Hee Seop Choi would be a great platoon slugger when he was 'free' before 2006.  That didn't turn out so well - neither did Roberto Petagine or Jeff DaVanon or....

by marc w on Dec 13, 2007 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Bad contract?
Um, say what? A few of you made reference to that, and um, wow.

Bad contract? I have no idea how you could characterize Tejada's contract like that. An excellent hitter who can play at a premium defensive position....that's got to be worth a lot to a Major League team.

Is he worth any less than Beltre?

They play different positions, so you might say it's not an apples to apples thing, but they are both infielders after all, so the comparison should be apt. They're comparable hitters at this point -- Tejada has been a bit better for his career, but he is a few years older...Beltre plays a great defensive third base, but is that more valuable than playing adequate defense at short?

Now you could try to put this under a microscope and break it down and determine absolutely which player is most valuable and all, but really, what we're looking at here is two players that are essentially about the same.

So if you're calling Tejada's contract bad, then how are you viewing Beltre's? I gotta believe that one should be fairly comparable to the other.

by nathaniel dawson on Dec 12, 2007 9:14 PM PST reply actions  

Let alone the King of Awesome.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Dec 12, 2007 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

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