Should Jose Guillen be offered arbitration?

by Man From Nantucket on Nov 30, 2007 1:47 PM PST Comment 90 comments

The Ms have until 9 p.m. on Saturday to decide whether to offer him salary arbitration. With the release of the Mitchell report potentially naming names, I guess there is a chance he may choose to accept if offered. I think they should offer arbitration, even with the chance he accepts but I am afraid that may send Adam Jones back to the bench.

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Yes

by Graham on Nov 30, 2007 1:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Of course

by Steve Nelson on Nov 30, 2007 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Tough call.

I'd love to so we can get draft picks when/if he signs somewhere else, but it really scares me that he might accept.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 1:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

(1) He won't accept

(2) Why would that scare you?

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

right

I'd love to have the guy sign for one more year. Its the years after I don't want.

by Mere Tantalisers on Nov 30, 2007 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It scares me because I think

if Guillen was back for next year that Adam Jones would rot on the bench again.

If we could put AJ in LF and keep Guillen, I'm all for it. But unless we dump Sexson it would never happen.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 2:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not going to happen

The team is committed to starting Adam Jones. If Guillen returns, it forces Ibañez out of LF. Most likely it means that Sexson gets traded.

Guillen accepting arb is almost the best possible scenario. The Mariners get the best lineup out of the deal, without making a long-range commitment to an OF on the wrong side of 30.

by Steve Nelson on Nov 30, 2007 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But you're counting on the M's

management to recognize this "best case scenario", and actually do what makes sense.

That will happen about the same time that corco quits drinking.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 2:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not the drinking, so much

it's the handling of the liquor.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not the players, so much

as it is the handling of the team.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 2:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Corco's 19 (?)

The M's are 30. They should know better.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The key word being "should".

Corco's 19? His liver must be 92.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The sheer quantity of alcohol I am capable

of consuming is something only you can imagine.

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Been there, done that

and can still drink you young whippersnappers under the table.

Just don't expect me to be any good the next day if and when I do.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm Irish.

Drinking contest? Bring it on.

Just kidding. I drink for pleasure, not competition.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm Irish too.

And I'm of the same mind, as far as drinking. Which will start happening in...checks watch...just about one hour from now.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm about three hours out.

Haven't decided what specific beer to drink tonight yet, but I'm sure I'll think of something.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's the holidays

So you should go with a seasonal like Snow Cap, or Jubelale.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

In 10 minutes I start rallying

and I can't go to bed until I've had 36 cans of Icehouse.

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought you said you could drink

36 Icehouse = 4 normal beers

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Icehouse is 5.5%

most of the good beers you guys drink are between 5 and 5.8%

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Is that how you choose your beers?

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

I go for maximum alcohol volume/oz/$.

I don't really like hard a anymore, plus beer is more fun

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

(and yes

I do like a good 40 of Olde English or whatever as much as the next guy)

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

I drink a ton of this stuff this time of year. I laugh at 5.5%.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's some potent stuff!

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not too shabby...

If you're drinking just to get wasted try this stuff.

by Patrick517 on Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That beer is fantastic.

I'm going to pickup a 6 pack on the way home, which will be in 10 minutes! Woohoo for early shifts!

by Jed MC on Nov 30, 2007 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It does sound really good

Maybe once finals are over I'll reward myself with some of that

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So it's a financial issue,

and you drink to get drunk, not for pleasure.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It is a financial issue

I drink for the pleasure of being drunk.

I drink because that is the only way to play beer pong.

I drink because of this sense of community and bonding that forms between a bunch of drunk people.

I drink because it is so much easier to hit on beautiful women when drunk.

Drinking as about being with people. It's a bond and a great thing. That's why I don't ever drink alone.

And the most inexpensive way to do all that is by drinking Icehouse.

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll give you that.

(or most of it at least)

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm getting a keg

for our housewarming party tomorrow night. It will be tough to not drink a substantial portion of the keg before the party starts.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You can buy really good beer in kegs?

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's news to me

and that's really cool.

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Lookout Landing

Taking care of all your good beer questions and comments since 2005.

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

How do you think bars get really good beer?

It's not like there's some dude pouring bottles into the tap lines back there, you know.

Most towns have a beer store (this is Portland's best) that can get kegs of pretty much anything you want.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My preference

For you Seattle area folks is either to stop by Rock Bottom (there's one in Bellevue and one in downtown Seattle) for a keg of one of their handcrafted brews -- plan 48 hours ahead though -- or to hit up the Mac & Jack's brewery in Redmond. Rock Bottom's a little cheaper with more variety, but when you want an african amber nothing's better than M&J :)

We want the funk! Give up the funk!

by thejew4u on Nov 30, 2007 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm jealous.

Enjoy the keg and the party.

Have a great weekend everyone!

by Jed MC on Nov 30, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Every thread is a beer thread.

Even the "help plan Corco's funeral" thread next March.

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If I actually manage

to drink 36 cans of Icehouse in a single night, that will actually be tomorrow.
(so no, I'm not actually going to drink 36 cans of Icehouse. According to the internet I'd be legally drunk for like a week if I somehow survived that)

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't much care what you do.

Just don't post after you do it.

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I promise I will not post after 5:00 PM tonight

You have my word.

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow Jeff,

tell us how you really feel.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are there any better topics

of conversation than beer & baseball?

by Jed MC on Nov 30, 2007 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If there is, there aren't many.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I've been saying

we need LL Night VIII: Keg(s) Party.

by Matthew on Nov 30, 2007 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Let me know at least 2 weeks ahead of time...

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ditto

and I'll help organize/procure beer if needed.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

opening day celebration?

this must happen.

by Matthew on Nov 30, 2007 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This sounds like something very important

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait for July or I will be angry

by Graham on Nov 30, 2007 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

sometime over July 4 weekend?

or will everybody be gone? I forget if that's a great weekend for parties or a lousy one.

by Matthew on Nov 30, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now you're talking!

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

only if Coach comes

and takes a keg stand

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think we all want to be arrested

for contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't make Coach drink

someone has to drive your drunk ass home.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

haha

Washington Highways

by I'm NOT Corco on Nov 30, 2007 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

YES

WE MUST MAKE THIS HAPPEN

by Gomez on Nov 30, 2007 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

YES!

by Robert on Nov 30, 2007 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Based on the evidence, no

by Jeff on Nov 30, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Only me?

I feel so honored.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it's scarry...

When he gets suspended after the Mitchell report.

by SethGrandpa on Nov 30, 2007 2:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Baseball will NOT suspend people

based on the Mitchell report.

Not one.

The non-analytic positive is too big a can of worms - they won't touch it (and good for them).

by Llewdor on Nov 30, 2007 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

I'll be shocked if anyone gets seriously punished for being implicated in the Mitchell Report.

by Gomez on Nov 30, 2007 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well for someone like guillen

who's looking to re-sign with someone, it might diminish their value... thats some sort of punishment. but yeah, no suspensions or fines i'm sure

"I couldn't do it. I just couldn't let him live... He shocked Santa's balls"

by thenatural on Nov 30, 2007 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Richard Scarry is awesome

-- he isn't getting suspended anytime soon.

by redwolf75 on Nov 30, 2007 4:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think we should be worried about sending

AJ to the bench. He'll either be a starter or be traded -- Bavasi has acknowledged his major league readiness.

by redwolf75 on Nov 30, 2007 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If AJ is on the team but not starting,

I'm going to find Bavasi's office and shit on his desk.

I overvalue prospects

by Thingray on Nov 30, 2007 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You spelled "head" wrong

"You guys should be in every major city. This is some heavy shit. This is, like, Lone Ranger heavy, man."

by AZSEAfan on Nov 30, 2007 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

He's better than the other free agent corner outfielders who might sign for only one year. More talent at a reasonable price is usually a good idea.

It also increases the incentive to dump Sexson.

by G_ on Nov 30, 2007 1:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

yes, yes, yes

if he accepts then we'll sign him. Nothing wrong with that, really - he's a good hitter. The only good reason not to sign him was he was asking for 3/30. He won't get that through arby.

by Mere Tantalisers on Nov 30, 2007 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

We should def offer salarb

for the draft picks possibility. If he accepts, then ideally we should try to move one of Vidro and Sexson, either in a trade to another team or to a non-starting role, and then put Ibanez at the opening that results, giving us an outfield of Jones-Ichiro-Guillen. Removing Vidro or Sexson is not easy, but its what needs to be done in that case.

by vkut79 on Nov 30, 2007 1:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

How much would he get in arby?

by redwolf75 on Nov 30, 2007 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

If it's not that much -- could be a win win

situation for the m's.

by redwolf75 on Nov 30, 2007 2:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sanctions?

Isn't it a risk given the fact that his name is linked to shipments of HGH and with the Mitchell report coming out too? It appears he could face some type of discipline from the league.

by Man From Nantucket on Nov 30, 2007 2:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I asked this in another thread

Who has the better plate discipline?

Adam Jones or Wladimir Balentien.

Trying to settle an argument, and I said Jones, and its not close. Agree/Disagree?

On the topic, though...yeah, of course you offer him. At worse, he plugs in LF for Ibanez. Dbout it will come to that...I expect a nice draft pick for us. (I wonder if Boston gets a draft pick for us losing Guillen, since they seem to get 50 every year).

by Slica on Nov 30, 2007 2:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

yes

by Matthew on Nov 30, 2007 2:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

YES OF COURSE YOU DO

He is a good hitter and if he doesn't take arb then its no big loss. What do you lose by offering arb. Hopefully he's smart enough now to use stuff that is undetectable so proof never comes forth.

by Edgar for Pres on Nov 30, 2007 3:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

YES!

Best case: he accepts, we get another year of below-market Guillen, and we move Raul to first while moving Sexson (or platooning him with Vidro, or something).

Worst case, he refuses, signs elsewhere, and we get a compensation pick.

There's no downside.

by Llewdor on Nov 30, 2007 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs