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* We started hearing rumblings this week that there was a team in on Santana that no one has mentioned. Once we began asking around, officials from two clubs we surveyed nominated Seattle. But don't bet your Space Needle souvenir collection on it. The Twins would almost certainly start the conversation by asking for Adam Jones and Brandon Morrow. And there is practically no scenario under which Seattle could give up Jones, now that Jose Guillen is gone.

The Mariners also would have trouble coming up with a third and/or fourth piece, since their most high-profile prospect, catcher Jeff Clement, wouldn't fit Minnesota's needs. And one more thing: Seattle probably wouldn't be a place Santana would be anxious to waive his no-trade clause to go to, either. So never mind.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3132761&lpos=spotlight &lid=tab1pos1

I know Stark says its a long shot, but doesn't the "team no one knows about" part imply that the deal doesn't make sense on some level, otherwise everyone would be talking about it? And if that's the case wouldn't there only be grumblings if there might be some part no one knows about (hey maybe the Twins are really high on Jose Lopez and will give up Santana for Morrow, Jones and Lopez!)(j/k)

I'm probably just trying to fool myself into thinking that Johan Santana could actually be a Mariner next year, but hey, that would be pretty cool

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Translation:
one front office guy on any of the 30 teams, at one point uttered, out of context, that Seattle would be interested in Santana.

I really enjoyed Jon Heyman's take
The Mariners have the need and the cash. But does Santana want to go from relative obscurity in Minneapolis to complete obscurity in Seattle?

Hey Jon? Fuck you man.

by Matthew on Nov 29, 2007 2:43 PM PST reply actions  

No kidding...
Seattle >>>>>> Minneapolis in terms of obscurity.
"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 29, 2007 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Man, when will people realize
That Seattle is a great city and has tons of culture?  I've been all over the world, and I don't think I'd prefer to live anywhere else.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.

by BrettJMiller on Nov 29, 2007 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No kidding...
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE
"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 29, 2007 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, because Starbucks
is something you can only find in one or two places in Seattle.  Someday, hopefully, that plucky little store will finally succeed...
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah im rooting for them
maybe someday, the owner will be rich enough to buy the sonics from those redneck oklahomans who own them now

by seattlebruin on Nov 29, 2007 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Baseball players don't care
about culture and things like that.  They want to live where it's warm and where they can get on national TV regularly.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Right after
HoRam wins a Cy Young award.

by Gomez on Nov 29, 2007 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Heyman has put out some jems lately.
He might just be the top dog amongst all the idiots of the national baseball press.  Anyway, I guess obscurity is proportional to distance from New York City now. What a dipshit.

by Manzanillos Cup on Nov 29, 2007 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Landing Santana
would be one of those absolutely huge, franchise-defining moments that I think I actually want to avoid.

It's not so much the Johan that I don't want as it is the incredible cost.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 29, 2007 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

And the chance of him going
Mike Hampton on our asses. Or Kevin Brown.

by redwolf75 on Nov 29, 2007 2:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno...
I'm mixed about giving up the farm AND the funds, but Santana isn't Barry Zito/Mike Hampton/Kevin Brown.  He's more Roger Clemens/Pedro Martinez/Randy Johnson.

The cost would be significant, sure, but he's certainly one guy that might actually be worth it -- if you can assign that quality to a starting pitcher.  

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 29, 2007 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Obviously assuming we get the extension.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Nov 29, 2007 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm on the fence.
I'm worried about his slight build, but Pedro's a midget and he held up pretty well through age 33, so it's not a death knell.

$25m a year for one pitcher really doesn't strike my fancy, though. Not without a payroll increase.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 29, 2007 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You better believe
that if the M's have to increase the payroll to land a TOR pitcher, they're going to do it.  

I mean, hell, did you honestly think that prior to 2004 Howard Lincoln would pony up enough dough to land Adrian Beltre???  Especially after spending so much to get Sexson???

"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 29, 2007 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Pedro is not 5'11
the height and weight listings of professional athletes are flagrantly incorrect.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 29, 2007 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

mine
is right on target...

209 cm
105 kilos

haha

Copenhagen = WAYYYYY better than Paris

by MarinerintheDistrict on Nov 29, 2007 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Pedro might be 5'11"
wearing baseball cleats and standing on a mound.

I stood reasonably close to him before a NYY-BOS game a few years back and I had some height on him and I'm about 6' even

by Matthew on Nov 29, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

We can't all
be Gigantor, Jeff. I hate you!
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 29, 2007 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

*Grabs warhead*
Aims at Jeff...
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 29, 2007 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Logically, yeah
The Twins are almost certainly coming out ahead on any deal for Johan, and the financial cost burden is going to be immensely risky.

But holy shit I would be so giddy if Johan was coming here. (As long as Felix stays).

This would be one of those times that I would just cover my ears, go blah blah blah and just be happy for awhile.

by Matthew on Nov 29, 2007 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Somewhere on Churchill's blog
Somebody relayed some other insider post from somewhere else that said that Santana only wants to play for one team (and it's not Boston), will only go there with the assurance of a 6/$150+m extension, will use his no-trade clause to nix any deal unless he gets exactly what he wants from said team and that a deal has to get done now or it's not getting done.

Grain of salt and all but I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins did nothing and just let him walk.

by Gomez on Nov 29, 2007 3:22 PM PST reply actions  

I would
When you have the opportunity to replace him with 3 people who may make your team great for cheap, you try as hard as you can to get that done.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Nov 29, 2007 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah
But will the trading partner in question offer that, especially if they know you're in such a tough situation?

by Gomez on Nov 29, 2007 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yankees will.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Nov 29, 2007 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like....
this is going to turn out like the Griffey situation where the Twins will get less that what Santana is worth because he will veto all deals except to one team.

But Mike Cameron rocked so the trade wasn't all that terrible.

Copenhagen = WAYYYYY better than Paris

by MarinerintheDistrict on Nov 29, 2007 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Now would be a pretty good time
for anyone with a BP subscription to chime in regarding Santana's PECOTA comps.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 29, 2007 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

Top 6:
Koufax
Seaver
Carlton
Mario Soto
Camilo Pascual
Roger Clemens
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Mario Soto?
Weird.

Anyway, I like those odds.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 29, 2007 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, that surprised me too
but then Floyd Bannister's down there at #16, so, there's that.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

So...
sell the farm and mortgage the future for a future HOFer?
"You just got AJ-aculated on!"

by wwbaker3 on Nov 29, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I come to LL for straight answers, Jeff!
Jeez...you of all people should know better than that!

jk, you're doing a great job

"You just got AJ-aculated on!"

by wwbaker3 on Nov 29, 2007 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Johan Santana is good.
There are risks inherent in trading for him.

There are benefits to trading for him.

Three clear-cut, straight, factual answers. Suck on that one, mofo.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 29, 2007 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

i think somehow
id be ok with trading adam jones, brandon morrow and prospect x for sandy koufax...

by seattlebruin on Nov 29, 2007 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The reports of Koufax's death
have been greatly exaggerated.

Come on, there was a whole Entourage episode about this.

by G_ on Nov 29, 2007 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just trying to
up the value of this game-used jersey I want to sell.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

wow
i really thought he was dead. shows you how retarded i am.

by seattlebruin on Nov 29, 2007 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I did too
until right after I posted that comment.  
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me guess, you think
Bob Feller is dead too.
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 29, 2007 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably
what, is this a Who's Still Alive quiz now?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. What's your answer?
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 29, 2007 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

alive!
http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/fnames-nf/Feller+Bob

by seattlebruin on Nov 29, 2007 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Alive.
90-something, if I remember right.

Do I get a cookie now?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Aren't you too old for a virtual
cookie? Anyways next one: Buzzie Bavasi?
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 29, 2007 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You're never too old for a virtual cookie
but I am too old to sit here and submit to a quiz when it's time for me to leave my job for the day.

Buzzie's alive, by the way.

Besides, how do you know that I'm not just looking all these up as you vomit them forth?  Which defeats the purpose of this whole exercise, because then it's not about what I know but what I can look up?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 29, 2007 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Buzzie actually reads Baker's blog regularly
You better hope he doesn't lurk here as well.

by Robert on Nov 29, 2007 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude, I want that
how much?
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Nov 29, 2007 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

okay
im starting to think that trading for a dead guy isnt such a good idea =(

by seattlebruin on Nov 29, 2007 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not dead.
Jose Vidro (DH - Ms) was arrested today in an Idaho Bathroom for having a wide stance and sucking.

by CapSea on Nov 29, 2007 4:19 PM PST up reply actions  

well yeah
but i dont think anyone would ask santana to toss 300+ innings in three out of four years

by seattlebruin on Nov 29, 2007 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN saying
The Red Sox and Twins are discussing the framework of a Johan Santana deal that would have Boston sending four players to Minnesota in return for the two-time Cy Young Award winner, including center fielder Coco Crisp, pitcher Jon Lester and minor-league shortstop Jed Lowrie, the trio that would anchor the deal.

---

We could beat that, I think.

Not, you know, that we will.

by Garces on Nov 29, 2007 5:27 PM PST reply actions  

Whattt
They would give away a back-of-the-rotation starter, an OF with poor offense, some SS prospect, and one more prospect for a future HOF? No way... Jones, Morrow, Clement is much better than that (but we shouldn't do it). If Boston pulls this off... they will be winning their division every year for a while.

by vkut79 on Nov 29, 2007 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

This probably isn't the final package
I'd guess Boston's just starting the bidding low. There's no way Minnesota pulls the trigger for this package... they just want NY and Boston (and whoever else) in a bidding war.

Hmm.... Jones/Morrow/Chen/other pitcher?

MLS Seattle

by Nick S on Nov 29, 2007 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Boston won't deal Ellsbury
which pretty much means Boston will not win this bidding war.

by Teej on Nov 30, 2007 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Go easy on Gammons
in an ESPN that contains Skip Bayless, Stephen A. Smith, and Stuart Scott, Gammons is at least halfway decent.
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 30, 2007 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes
I like Gammons too.  Just... any Boston news from ESPN has to be taken with granules of salt, even given his connections.

by Gomez on Nov 30, 2007 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm a fan of Gammons too.
However, the quality of his work has gone down pretty significantly over the past few years.  I'm sure his near-death experience and age are pretty huge factors.  The weekly full-page articles that he used to write for the Boston Globe were fantastic - some of the best sports writing I've ever seen.

by Jed MC on Nov 30, 2007 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

So I wonder if a deal could be possible
something like Jones, Morrow (who Bavasi didn't mention were untouchable, according to Baker) and Fear or Mangini for Santana. Granted that's a heck of a lot, but it might be worth it.
"Kruger! My son tells me, your company shtinks!"-Frank Costanza.

by Coach Owens on Nov 29, 2007 6:19 PM PST reply actions  

This sucks
I already bet my entire Space Needle collection on the M's trading Santana.

by Teej on Nov 29, 2007 6:23 PM PST reply actions  

Well,
I'd have to cock-punch myself if I actually had a Space Needle souvenir collection.

Seriously, of all the lame-ass Seattle cliches we have to put up with, how does Stark come up with something that terrible? How about:

"But don't bet your rain-soaked Starbucks flannel on it."

or:

"But don't bet your Nirvana 'Bleach' album that you always listen to while walking to work at Boeing while wearing Birkenstocks on it."

by Teej on Nov 29, 2007 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Now watch...
Just like last year when there was some buzzings about the M's trading for Manny Ramirez and ending up with Horacio Ramirez, they'll end up trading Clement for someone like Mayo Santana...
"I restore a sense of childlike wonder to people's lives; you give them Zunes and Vista." -- Fake Steve Jobs to Borg employees

by PositivePaul on Nov 29, 2007 7:19 PM PST reply actions  

I actually predict Santana goes to either
NYY or BOS for a really underwhelming package.

Much like Miguel Cabrera to the Angels.

by Matthew on Nov 29, 2007 7:24 PM PST reply actions  

Would said package
be better than letting him walk as a Type-A?
"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Nov 29, 2007 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

almost surely
I just expect to be disappointed that the Yanks or Red Sox don't gut their system in the trade. I want to see Melky/Hughes/Cano leave NYY for example.

by Matthew on Nov 29, 2007 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

ahh
If I were the Twins I'd let him play out his final year unless I got a hell of an offer. I'd assume they aren't getting Cano or Joba.

(Maybe they get lucky and Polhad kicks, and they can are allowed to extend him)!

"Goddamn Romans. Sure know how to make a ... drum room." --Matt Cameron

by JI on Nov 29, 2007 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Santana to NYY
for Kyle Farnsworth, Jeff Karstens, a prospect we haven't seen yet, and Doug Mienlotzaletters.

by Gomez on Nov 30, 2007 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

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