Brandon Morrow
One of my greatest fears about Brandon Morrow's planned move to the starting rotation is that leaving the bullpen and getting stretched out will take a few miles off his seemingly unhittable fastball. This is par for the course - relievers are able to go max-effort on every pitch, meaning they throw a little harder than they do as starters. Even Jorge Campillo was clipping 88-89 in short work. It's been several weeks now that I've been preoccupied with concerns about what Morrow would look like throwing 94-95 instead of 97-98; needless to say, I haven't been very optimistic.
Well, recently I decided to go into the Enhanced Gameday numbers to see if my fears are legitimate. I can't give enough thanks to Matthew (Carruth) for compiling the raw data - this would've taken forever to put together myself. Thanks to Matthew, I have Gameday velocity and result data for 818 of Morrow's 1193 pitches thrown this year. It's not all of them, but I believe it to be a meaningful and representative sample.
After subtracting 2mph off of every pitch Morrow threw in Safeco (Dave and I believe that home velocities were slightly inflated), I split Morrow's pitches up into three groups...
96mph or more: the "unhittable" heaters
90-96mph: the get-me-over slower fastball
Under 90mph: mostly offspeed stuff
...and looked at the relevant results. Here's a table:
The category headers, from left to right, are number of pitches, strike percentage, called strike percentage, swinging strike percentage, foul strike percentage, in-play strike percentage, groundball percentage, flyball percentage, line drive percentage, infield fly percentage, total balls in play, height in strike zone on Gameday, and overall frequency.
First, the good news - based on 2007 data, Brandon Morrow's "slower" fastball is every bit as difficult to hit as his "fast" one. In fact, it was actually put in play a little less often. While the data sample is still smaller than I would've liked, it would appear that my fears were unwarranted, and that Morrow has a good fastball whether it's going 94 or 98. Keep in mind that the league-average swinging strike percentage is 14%.
Now the bad news. To start with, Morrow doesn't throw strikes. His "slow" fastball - the one he'll presumably be working with in 2008 - had a 60.9% strike rate, against a league-average of 63%. On top of that, his fastball gets hit in the air all the time. Don't be thrown by the 42.1% groundball rate for 96+ mph fastballs; the sample is tiny. For all pitches of 90mph or above, Morrow allowed twice as many flyballs as groundballs. It's one thing to be flyball-friendly, but this is absurd. Morrow should take Safeco out to dinner.
For more bad news, look at the <90 category. Less than a quarter of Morrow's recorded pitches were "offspeed", and nearly half the time they missed the zone. Now, granted, I don't have data for everyone in the league, but I'm guessing that a 53.5% strike rate for breaking balls is hilariously bad. They weren't even particularly effective, either, with a 13% swinging strike percentage. Morrow's offspeed stuff does not appear to have been all that good in 2007, which means he's going to have to get a lot better over the offseason if he wants to survive as a starter. Nobody lasts real long with a good but wild fastball and wilder secondary stuff.
On the plus side, look at the in-play results. Again, 33 balls in play is a really small sample, but on offspeed pitches Morrow allowed 16 grounders and 7 flyballs. GB/FB numbers tend to stabilize really quick, so I don't think this is a simple anomaly. It looks like Morrow can really keep the ball on the ground fairly often when he puts some spin on the ball. It isn't the location of the pitch - you'll see his offspeed stuff ends up at the same height as his fastballs - but the downward movement. This is going to be key if Morrow wants to give his outfield a break and maybe get a few double plays.
I'll admit right now that I don't think we can safely draw any 100% clear conclusions from this. No matter how you break the numbers down, switching from the bullpen to the rotation is a huge change, and Morrow has the entire offseason to develop his skillset. That said, I do think there's some interesting substance to this. When he gets it over, Morrow's fastball is good, no matter how fast or slow it is. The flyballs come from his heaters. His secondary stuff needs a ton of work, but has potential to be the groundball weapon he needs in order to become more efficient. It really gives you a glimpse into what Morrow will have to work on this winter. I don't think he's as close to becoming an impact starter as some other people do, but at least I can be pretty certain that no matter how he does, he'll be missing some bats. After what we saw from the starters in 2007, that's something of a breath of fresh air.
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I still think that there's a good chance
by JI on Oct 2, 2007 11:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be an upgrade over Ho and Weave
by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 2, 2007 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
by Librocrat on Oct 3, 2007 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be interested
I thought I saw Morrow's overall swinging strike percentage as quite low so I'm wondering what it is on the pitches you threw out for lack of velocity readings.
by Matthew on Oct 2, 2007 11:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I can do
26% StL, 19% StS, 32% StF, 23% StI
Overall: (according to B-R)
25% StL, 20% StS, 30% StF, 25% StI
Missing Data:
23% StL, 22% StS, 26% StF, 29% StI
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id be curious to know what felix swinging
by houseofprime2 on Oct 3, 2007 12:00 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
<90mph stuff probably his splitter
I agree that it's probably an anomaly, since Morrow likes to huck his fastball up in the zone, which doesn't usually get you a ton of groundballs, but I'm not sure how we can toss one aside and not the other.
by TIF on Oct 3, 2007 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The second sample size is ~2 times bigger
Beyond that, though, I don't think it makes intuitive sense to differentiate between a 97mph fastball's GB/FB profile and that of a 94mph fastball. It's not like Morrow throws a two-seamer. I think all his fastballs have the same general profile, just like his offspeed stuff has a profile of its own. Makes more sense to me to cut them in the middle rather than cut them into thirds.
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant
by TIF on Oct 3, 2007 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Durrrr
Learn to read assmaster....
by TIF on Oct 3, 2007 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright thanks.
by houseofprime2 on Oct 3, 2007 12:14 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Average?
I would guess that this coming year will be rough -- he'll have some games where he just gets lit up, but I think in the long run, he'll be fine. I just wish he could have pitched as a starter all year in Tacoma...
by ragamuffin on Oct 3, 2007 6:27 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate to be the small sample police, but...
In his first four starts of 2007, Jarrod Washburn threw 407 pitches, induced 43 grounders, and only allowed 33 flyballs, including an 11/5 performance in his third start of the year.
Based on this sample, we actually had USSM commenters suggesting that Washburn had turned himself into a groundball pitcher over the offseason. Washburn then went on to post his lowest GB% of the last four years.
That sample was twice as large as this one.
In general, offspeed pitches are flyball/strikeout pitches. If we need to make a default assumption about the expected groundball tendencies of Morrow's splitter, then we should default to the league average for that pitch type instead of the results of 23 balls in play in relief.
by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 6:48 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That's fair
It's a very small sample, obviously. But I think there's still a hint of meaning in there, if only because it's difficult for a flyball pitcher to go on a run where he records 16 grounders and puts seven in the air. That Washburn game you're talking about was against by far the most groundball-oriented offense in the league, while Morrow did this against a number of different hitters.
It could mean nothing, and some regression to the mean (whatever that may be) is probably necessary, but I don't think we can throw it away entirely. The probability that this is somewhat significant is higher than the probability of it being random noise.
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably because
I'd imagine the regression on a sample of this size would have to be something like 95%. I'd probably disagree with the last paragraph - I'd bet that this is more likely to be noise than significant.
If Matthew still has a bunch of free time and wants to cull pitch F/X data for interesting Morrow-related studies, I'd love to see the stuff data for guys who split time between starting and relieving and have at least somewhat similar fastballs to Morrow. Off the top of my head, there's Chad Billingsley, Brandon McCarthy, and Zach Greinke from this year.
by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have data on every pitch thrown in '07
by Matthew on Oct 3, 2007 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, that seems like a huge regression.
Still though, yeah, we need more data. Thank God for Matthew.
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought about
by marc w on Oct 3, 2007 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they even out that quickly
Roy Halladay had a game against the Mariners where he put 23 balls in play - 14 of them in the air, only 9 on the ground. It was his CG shutout, so it's not like this was his version of struggling, either.
23 balls in play is just a tiny, tiny sample.
by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I mean is
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Binomial Distribution to the rescue
Morrow had 33 balls put in play by pitches thrown at less than 90 miles per hour. 16 of those 33 were groundballs, which gives us that 48.5% GB rate we see in the chart above.
Now, if we say that offspeed pitches are usually strikeout/offspeed pitches, then for an average pitcher, we'd expect a BIP distribution to be more like 32% GB, 40% flyball, 20% LD, and 18% IF.
Binomial distribution says that we'd expect a 32% likelyhood outcome to occur 16 times in 33 chances about 2% of the time, or one in every 50 tests.
That's too close to random variation for my liking.
by davidcameron on Oct 3, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about a binomial analysis
For what it's worth, there's a difference between saying "Morrow's offspeed stuff gets groundballs" and "it's worth considering that Morrow's offspeed stuff might be able to get groundballs." So far - in an admittedly tiny sample - the evidence points in one direction. Whether or not it's real, we can't be sure, but we certainly can't be sure about the opposite either.
We could badly use some more information for other pitchers. I'm curious to see what the typical offspeed GB/FB profile really is.
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And on that note
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Morrow's goddamn offspeed stuff...
by Graham on Oct 3, 2007 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't need to be huge
by Librocrat on Oct 3, 2007 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok my question is
a low to mid 90's fast ball is good if he can also mix it up a bit.
by InSpokane on Oct 3, 2007 9:36 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Morrow's control = dubious immediate starter
Here is how Morrow compares with qualified AL starters who finished with a BB/9 over 3.5 (keeping in mind Morrow's numbers are skewed a bit as a reliever with a smaller sample size)
Name BB/9 K/9 GB% HR/9 FIP
Morrow 6.7 8.8 35.2% 0.40 4.09
Cabrera 4.5 7.0 49.5% 1.05 5.06
Gaudin 4.4 6.7 51.0% 0.92 4.71
Kazmir 3.9 10.4 43.1% 0.78 3.58
Batista 3.8 6.0 44.1% 0.81 4.61
Burnett 3.7 9.8 54.8% 1.29 4.44
The other pitchers had significantly better BB/9 and GB% rates, and the two best pitchers of the group had significantly better K/9 rates. The one area where Morrow is significantly better, HR/9, is probably unsustainable as a starter, given his extreme flyball tendencies on fastballs thrown in the 90-96 MHP range and normal regression to the league average.
To succeed as a starter, Morrow needs some combination of significantly reducing his BB/9, significantly inducing more grounders, and maintaining his K/9 while throwing at a lower velocity. To expect Morrow to accomplish all or even some of this over one offseason is wishcasting.
by G_ on Oct 3, 2007 10:50 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
by I'm NOT Corco on Oct 3, 2007 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the post, dude
Also, I'm guessing he's going to spend the winter tuning up his handle on the splitter. It's a good second pitch for him to have, though I'd prefer he learn a good change, which brings me to my second big point.
What these numbers don't - and cant - show is how Morrow will fare facing lefty hitters. He'll be dealing with a whole lot of them if he starts for us, what with the A's loaded with lefties and the Angels loaded with switchies. I won't hazard any guesses because I have no idea how FB-only-iffy-control guys do against lefties, but it seems to me like he doesn't really have anything to offer them.
by Mere Tantalisers on Oct 3, 2007 11:53 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
OK
Also, he walked half as many guys in about the same number of PA (and the same IP) in the second half as in the first. So I'd say his total Str% is not as much a concern as people make it out to be.
by Mere Tantalisers on Oct 3, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BB/9 is bad no matter how you slice it
April 6.1
May 9.0
June 15.0
July 4.1
Aug. 4.8
Sept. 5.8
Even if you take June out of the equation, he still ends up with a 5.8 BB/9.
His Home/Road splits are worrisome too.
Home 7.2 BB/9, 13.8 K/9
Road 7.0 BB/9, 5.7 K/9
Away from Safeco (which we know increases strikeouts), Morrow was striking out half as many batters.
by G_ on Oct 3, 2007 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying its good
As for the K splits, there's no way that Safeco is responsible for a 2.4 fold increase in K's. No way.
by Mere Tantalisers on Oct 3, 2007 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the second half
The lefty thing is a legitimate problem, yes. I've been meaning to make a post about this general subject for a while now, but I could never really build it up. With rare exception, an effective starting pitcher needs to have a changeup to keep opposite-handed hitters honest. Right now, Morrow doesn't have one. I'm not sure how well splitters work in that regard, but because they don't break away, I'm guessing not nearly as well.
As of this instant, a starting pitcher with Morrow's skillset would allow a lot of doubles and home runs, often to left-handed hitters. He'd also constantly be pitching out of jams and leaving by the sixth because of the control concerns. If Morrow wants to succeed as a starter in 2008, then over the winter he needs to improve his stamina, his control, and his offspeed stuff, all at the same time. And to me, that seems like a really tall task.
by Jeff on Oct 3, 2007 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff, leave for six months, and when you come back
It's only three things, no big deal, right? I guess this is my smart-ass way of saying I agree with you, it's a very tall task.
by Thingray on Oct 3, 2007 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Jefff!!!
See, this is very clearly why I was disappointed with the pick of Morrow in the first place. I ultimately see him as a 'pen arm in THIS organization. By rushing him into the rotation with no time, really, at all to develop as a starter, they're setting him up to FAIL. Then they'll just shrug and move him back into the 'pen.
And this is, of course, assuming he stays healthy through all of this, which I'm not convinced will happen. Especially, again, with this org's track record...
by PositivePaul on Oct 3, 2007 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
couple of points Paul
- Totally in agreement that Morrow is a huge risk RE: rotation next year. The guy walks a lot of batters... yeah you know the rest.
- Don't oversell A ball. To put it politely, the Aqua Sox suck. I haven't seen Wisconsin or High Desert but I'm fairly sure that we aren't light years ahead of the Pac 10. Kids with metal bats and 3-4 years experience at the Pac 10 level can hit and they can hit well.
- Morrow should have been given time to develop so he can work on the art of pitching and refine his mechanics, but he was probably ready to pitch in AA.
by etowncoug on Oct 3, 2007 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.,
But, yeah, I agree that Morrow was probably ready to pitch in AA to start 2007, if not AAA. I would've been totally fine with either. Now, however, after having spent an entire year in the 'pen in the bigs, he's going to have to un-learn many habits he picked up this year AND learn how to stretch out into an effective starter. If he's as good as he's touted to be, then it'll take the better part of the year in AA/AAA. Only if he's an other-worldly talent will he be able to make the switch over the winter and in ST.
My hunch is that it would take him a season and a half to really do it, and the M's certainly aren't going to wait that long. They're going to shove him into the rotation to start the season, and when he fails miserably (as I suspect he will), he'll be tossed back in the 'pen for good. I seriously, seriously doubt they'd send him down to the minors for an extended period of time to work out the kinks. He might get a start or two at the beginning of the year in the minors, but my gut says he's got a 75% shot of going north with the club out of ST...
by PositivePaul on Oct 4, 2007 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you extend a sphere into
by Matthew on Oct 5, 2007 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going from worst in the league to one of the worst
His half season is only about 30 IP, which is still a relatively small sample size to derive much confidence from the BB/9 improvement.
But even if you give him the benefit of the doubt,and expect a BB/9 around 5.0 instead of his full season of 6.8 BB/9, that is still awful for a starter. Very few starters can even survive with a BB/9 around 4.0, and those guys all have significantly higher GB% rates (and the good ones have higher strikeout rates).
Safeco by itself is not responsible for the full difference in K rates, but Safeco helped him substantially and made him look better than he actually pitched (5.14 xFIP). Again, small sample size applies, but that is an extreme difference.
by G_ on Oct 3, 2007 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I also don't know
Another big concern SP need to face is going through the lineup 2+ times (unless you are Horam). I'd expect to see Morrow's offspeed stuff get destroyed if we didn't see improvement in it.
Finally his P/PA is way too high probably at 4.1 (vs. 3.8 avg). As a reference the highest P/PA Gil Meche ever had was 4.08.
If we saw the splitter more he could probably turn down the velocity, increase the GB%, safely pitch to contact a little, and decrease the P/PA. Oh and somehow those BB need to decrease otherwise we have Daniel Cabrera II.
by Edgar for Pres on Oct 3, 2007 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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