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56-64, Quick Thoughts

  • On the rotation swap - Joel Pineiro blows, but Jake Woods might be worse. He's left-handed (giving righties an advantage), he walks a ton of batters, and he struggles to keep the ball on the ground, all while posting a strikeout rate that - while better than Joel's - fails to make up for his shortcomings. As if that weren't enough, he's done all this out of the bullpen, where pitchers generally put up better ratios than they do out of the rotation because they're able to limit themselves to their best pitches while throwing everything at max effort. So that's the bad news.

    The good news? Nobody cares how many games we win anymore, and besides, replacing Joel with anyone is progress in and of itself. It took forever to make the call (just like it did with Everett), but at least we know there's a poor performance threshold below which Hargrove and company are willing to ditch their veterans. Old, stupid dogs take a long time to learn new tricks, but dammit if these last seven weeks won't be full of lessons for Hargrove to take with him to whatever poor unsuspecting organization hires him next.

    In the meantime, now I get to see Jake Woods pitch in Anaheim on Sunday. Fantastic. I expect 1/3 of the fans to give him a standing ovation in recognition of his being a former Angel, another 1/3 to play with their Thunderstix and miss the first seven innings, and the final 1/3 to ask the person sitting next to them "how do those guys expect the guys with the wood to hit the ball when they throw so fast?"

  • Adam Jones has 22 plate appearances in August and hasn't been able to hit since the end of the Texas series three days ago. Willie Ballgame has 36 and started every game against Oakland. If I weren't so resigned to the second half of this season being a total loss I'd be flipping a tizzy right now. Mike Hargrove just absolutely, positively hates to use young and/or unproven players unless he doesn't have an alternative. It's hard to think of a worse kind of manager for a team that's loading up on youth for a 2007 pennant run. Veteran bias, terrible lineups, unforgivably awful in-game strategy...I'm counting down the days until the offseason, when this guy'll finally be tossed on his ass out the door.
  • There's something fishy going on when a total douchebag like this guy (the douchebag with the camera, not the douchebag in the sweatshirt) ends up with a girl like the one sitting next to him.

    My only guess is that yesterday was Show Off Your Embarrassing Boyfriend Night at the Coliseum, which would explain both this picture and why Hargrove started Willie in center.

  • Gil Meche was a mess last night. He's been worse, but his follow-through looked different practically from pitch to pitch, suggesting that there were frequent inconsistencies with his release point. It's not a coincidence that he looked great in flashes (Thomas strikeout, bottom one), but still managed to throw as many balls as he did. The good news is that at least he did something right:
    "With Swisher on base along with Eric Chavez -- who singled to start the inning -- Meche fell behind Ellis, 2-0, and tried to hurl a fastball past the Oakland second baseman.

    'I tried to groove one and let him hit it,' Meche said." (Source)

    And oh, did he ever groove it. Might've been the one spot Gil hit all game. So in the past month or so we've had Joel admit that a "typical Pineiro start" is one in which he gets hit and walks a lot of people, and Gil admit that he's "pitching stupid" and deliberately grooving fastballs to get out of bad counts. It's only a matter of time now before Jamie concedes that "I'm really old and not good anymore."

  • I was going to write something about Eric O'Flaherty's debut but I blinked and missed it. I guess I can't really argue, though, since it was so critical to let Julio Mateo get those last four outs in a game we knew we'd lose from the get-go.

I woke up really late so that's all I've got. Here's to Deanna bringing us some good luck in time for the Anaheim series, because come Sunday afternoon I'd like to be celebrating a Mariner sweep. And hey, Chris Snelling should be activated today (at the expense of either Pineiro, Soriano, or Green), so that's something.

Have a good weekend. I'll be back on Tuesday.

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Jake Woods isn't the answer, but...
I'm so glad Jo-el is no longer in the rotation. My only hope is he's the one that gets the ax, because I'd rather see a random minor leaguer up here than another worthless Pineiro appearance. He's the most useless player on the team in my opinion. I'd rather pay him to not play the rest of the year then have him toe the rubber anymore in a Mariners uniform.

by basebliman on Aug 17, 2006 2:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, yeah...
Adam Jones has 22 plate appearances in August and hasn't been able to hit since the end of the Texas series three days ago. Willie Ballgame has 36 and started every game against Oakland. If I weren't so resigned to the second half of this season being a total loss I'd be flipping a tizzy right now. Mike Hargrove just absolutely, positively hates to use young and/or unproven players unless he doesn't have an alternative. It's hard to think of a worse kind of manager for a team that's loading up on youth for a 2007 pennant run.

This should be repeated ad nauseum.

Ghah.

by rtang on Aug 17, 2006 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Jones
Had better fucking start tonight.

by Slurms McKenzie on Aug 17, 2006 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willie's line for August on 36 PAs
.290/.389/.419, 1SB (slugging percentage thanks almost in whole to Barry Zito)

I'm not implying anything by this post.  Just stating facts.

by appleshampoo on Aug 17, 2006 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jake Woods = Matt Thornton
Minus a few HRs (luck?)...

Yeah, I'm rather excited about seeing Matt Thorton Part II (Walks in Paradise!).  

Not.

Yeah, Woods isn't Pineiro.  But outside of Mateo, he's probably the one guy who has a shot of actually being WORSE than Pineiro in the rotation.

Not to say they should do this -- but I'm curious anyway.  If they were to DFA Pineiro, would they be able to sign him in 2007 to a MUCH smaller contract (therefore working around the arbitration rules that a player under the team's control can't pay the guy less than 80% of his previous year's salary)?

Free George Sherrill. And Dan Rohn.

by PositivePaul on Aug 17, 2006 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

He's like Thornton
Only in the sense that he's left handed and has trouble hitting the zone. Otherwise they're completely different (flat fastball vs a curve, etc).

by Graham MacAree on Aug 17, 2006 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Woods IMO = Saarloos
The walks are from pitching once every 7 days.  We saw this happen to Bobby Livingston too.

He's not good, but he is far better than Junkballer.  He's passable.  His starts should not be a disaster.

by Gomez on Aug 17, 2006 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also...
Following Woods' career, incredibly high walks is a new issue.  They've always been mediocre, but never this high.  Regression to his normal rates can be expected, I'd say...
We'll Always Have the Kingdome: Because I'll actually update it now, and I promise it's not that bad.

by BrettJMiller on Aug 19, 2006 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

And normal Jake Woods
is still better than the Pinata.

by Gomez on Aug 19, 2006 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saw that doofy guy last night, too
And I have to think that's either a cousin or an old friend from the neighborhood or something. She looked really uncomfortable when he was taking the picture, like "get out of my space before something thinks I'm actually with you."

by Peanut Gallery on Aug 17, 2006 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

The expression
on the other guys face is funny. Makes sense that he's holding a beer, except for the fact it only seems to have a few sips taken out of it.

by John Spartan @ Lookout Landing on Aug 17, 2006 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

Hrm...
It's hard to think of a worse kind of manager for a team that's loading up on youth for a 2007 pennant run.

Is it too early to say this sounds far too optimistic?

by Nate on Aug 17, 2006 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

No
Unless the Mariners fail to get any starting pitching in the offseason(...well good starting pitching that is) there is no reason to think we don't have a damn good chance to win this division next year.
Fire Mike Hargrove!

by Goose on Aug 17, 2006 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jake Woods
Would shutout the Mariners.  At least we know have a good crappy 5th starter.

by ThundaPC on Aug 17, 2006 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Schadenfreude
Rodrigo Lopez owned the Yankees tonight.  

And the Orioles owned Jaret Wright and the Yankees bullpen, including former Mariners Villone and Myers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=260817110

by Nadingo on Aug 17, 2006 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

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