Guardado to the Reds

by Devin on Jul 6, 2006 12:12 PM PDT in Regular News Comment 60 comments

Jeff's note: HAHAHAHA WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

As Tim and MFaninAlaska pointed out, Eddie Guardado and cash has been dealt to the Reds for RHP Travis Chick.

Chick's star has faded markedly since the end of 2004 when most thought he would be a quality starter with just a bit more polish. Since then, Chick has been inconsistent and gets roughed up more than you'd like to see from someone who was held in such high regard. Still, he only just turned 22 and he there's no indication he's lost any velocity or nastiness off his slider, so there's hope.

As for Guardado, see you later. His role tailed off to near nothingness in Seattle after losing his job to the infallible JJ Putz and he wasn't going to get much of a chance to take it back. He's been bad and losing him doesn't hurt the pen any that I can see. It opens up a spot, so I'm sure we'll see some kind of follow-up move soon.

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One concern, though...

Bavasi's statement that T-Chick = A-Cab on their grading scales. That's an interesting statement, and has me a bit concerned about their ability to judge their own prospects.

Free George Sherrill. And Dan Rohn.

by PositivePaul on Jul 6, 2006 12:17 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

or our ability

to overrate our own prospects. Won't really know until we see how Ascab turns out.

by MfaninAlaska on Jul 6, 2006 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Travis Chick doesn't suck...

He was a pretty legit prospect a year ago and has come upon some bad times since then.

I'd say it was a pretty close comparison if you were making it in ST of 2005, but since then Chick has taken a step back. Regardless, Bavasi believes Chick's potential is still there, which probably prompted that comment.

by Devin on Jul 6, 2006 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good info, thanks!

I just took a look at his numbers and wondered what was special about Chick. Of course, one could have done the same thing looking at Drubes' numbers.

Nevertheless, this is an awesome move, even if the M's have to eat the rest of Gas Can's salary.

Free George Sherrill. And Dan Rohn.

by PositivePaul on Jul 6, 2006 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course..

Bavasi is going to say something like that, because it makes both deals look better, regardless of the truth. By saying that it looks somewhat like we gave up Eddie for Perez while keeping our farm system at the same strength.

That's not quite the case right now, but it's not hard to say that these two guys (A-Cab and Chick) graded out similarly in the past. Today that's not quite true, but it's only a little fudging on Bill's part.

I like the deal.

by BrianV on Jul 6, 2006 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Good Deal for the M's

I can't control my heart rate I have a cougar on me. - Ricky Bobby

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 6, 2006 12:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

although I was hoping to see

Hargrove fired or Everett shot in Drive By

I can't control my heart rate I have a cougar on me. - Ricky Bobby

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 6, 2006 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Has Chick been pitching this year?

All I can find is up to 2005 stats

I can't control my heart rate I have a cougar on me. - Ricky Bobby

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 6, 2006 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

nevermind found them

I can't control my heart rate I have a cougar on me. - Ricky Bobby

by Scruffy Lefty on Jul 6, 2006 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh Lord Yes!

by anky on Jul 6, 2006 12:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Another Foppert?

Sounds like a similar situation. I like the idea of gathering a bunch of guys like that and hoping it works out for at least a couple of them.

Good luck Eddie. I mean that.

Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jul 6, 2006 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

so, who gets called up?

by Matthew on Jul 6, 2006 1:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully They'll Wait

Until they get rid of Everett and Hargrove, too. Then Dan Rohn can drive the two new guys to the ballpark on his way.

Actually, Bavasi mentioned Cesar Jiminez and Mark Lowe as possible callups.

by kva15 on Jul 6, 2006 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

At the Reds' SB site

The reaction is mixed.

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 1:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

haha they think he was juicing

the juice Eddie was consuming was Bavarian cream donuts blended into a juice so that he would not have the make the effort of chewing.

by Matthew on Jul 6, 2006 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Or the broth from his pot roast

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice

Good, solid move. It'll be interesting to see if the good folks in San Antonio can help Chick iron out the wrinkles and get him back to his 2004 form.
It looks like he's taken a bit of a step forward already, with his h/9 and k/9 looking a lot better so far this year (though this isn't his first taste of AA).
Nice one, Bavasi, and, to echo a previous comment, best of luck to Eddie in the NL.

by marc w on Jul 6, 2006 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Of course

Eddie is heading to the NL, so expect him to immediately become a top RP there.

by Matthew on Jul 6, 2006 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Guardado

He still has a torn rotator cuff and is going to a hitter's paradise. I don't expect a big change in his performance.

by Trent on Jul 6, 2006 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eddie gone

Gets rid of the biggest liability in the bullpen while getting a little something back in return. Me likes.

by ThundaPC on Jul 6, 2006 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have eddie than meteo.

by TyranT on Jul 6, 2006 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take Mateo over Eddie

Provided the manager doesn't run Mateo into the ground by having him pitch everyday.

by ThundaPC on Jul 6, 2006 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

ehh its basically a toss up.

eddie = meteo basically... except I'd argue the point that guardado's control has been better than meteo's for the most part. He's not getting just completely shaaaalaqued like meteo is when grover leaves him out there like he tends to do.

But either way, he's gone and thank the baseball gods. Now get rid of Meteo, Everett, Piniero, and Hargrove and we're all set.

by TyranT on Jul 6, 2006 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mateo does not equal Guardado

I had zero faith in every single Guardado appearance this year, and I was often proved right. Guardado only stood a chance against lefties and his usual pinpoint control had faded.

Mateo, while no great shakes, is somewhat serviceable as an innings eater, and he has come through a couple times in high pressure situations. I will take Mateo over Guardado any day of the week. Don't let Mateo's most recent performance make you forget all of Eddie's

by jtopps on Jul 6, 2006 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have neither

One more bullpen move, Mariners. One more.

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Take-home message:

Eddie Guardado got dealt for someone who isn't Eddie Guardado. That's a plus, and the team is better now than it was last night.

Worthless spots remaining:

Carl Everett
Joel Pineiro
Julio Mateo
Arguably Jake Woods
Mike Hargrove

Replace them with, say, Snelling, Cruceta, Green (when healthy), Jimenez, and Rohn, and you've got yourself a much better ballclub.

by Jeff on Jul 6, 2006 2:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

You understate this...

Much, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better team!

Considering the hand that Rohn was dealt in 2005, and where he took that team, I'd like to think that Rohn could do the same with this 2006 Mariners team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit.

Free George Sherrill. And Dan Rohn.

by PositivePaul on Jul 6, 2006 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

You could even

replace #3 with #2 in the pen until Green gets healthy, then dump him once he starts bitching and moaning.

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

In order of priority

Get rid of:

1) Carl Everett
2) Julio Mateo
3) Mike Hargrove
4) Joel Pineiro

I don't mind Jake Woods to be honest. No rush to replace him, IMO.

by ThundaPC on Jul 6, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My list...

Fire Hargrove
DFA/trade Mateo
Bench/DFA Everett (and platoon Petagine & Perez)
Swap Pineiro for Cruceta

Free George Sherrill. And Dan Rohn.

by PositivePaul on Jul 6, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree, except . . .

You gotta go with Snelling instead of Petagine.

by The Dude on Jul 6, 2006 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe...

...but I'm trusting the M's judgement on how ready Snelling is. Obviously, if he's ready, I'd probably do that myself.

Free George Sherrill. And Dan Rohn.

by PositivePaul on Jul 6, 2006 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hate Hargrove

Words could not express how much I hate Hargrove so i made this

by armedpp on Jul 6, 2006 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My only addition

Jeff Harris (when healthy) instead of Green or Cruceta. His versatility and maturity would help a ton (for example, Pineiro might be in the bullpen, or Tacoma, now).

by kva15 on Jul 6, 2006 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't be so sure:

Pineiro 2006 (ERA/FIP/xFIP):
5.86/5.30/4.88

Harris 2005 (ERA/FIP/xFIP):
4.19/5.46/5.58

Don't bother me, I'm hustling.

by Phildopip on Jul 6, 2006 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah

Pineiro: underacheiver
Harris: overacheiver

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last Year's Numbers Mean Nothing

You can't take last year's numbers on Harris and try to project those. Look at specific outings. His performances against the Tigers, Rangers, Yankees, and A's, for example. Jeff had to adjust to the idea of being in the big leagues (hey, after that many years of trying, wouldn't you?). From what he has accomplished and what he showed the start of this year, he should be there (certainly better than Guardado, Mateo, Woods, even Green and Fruto).

by kva15 on Jul 6, 2006 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

We are in trouble...

This was a good move. Good all the way around and removed a potential distraction as he whined about not being the closer. However....

We are in trouble if the amount of sniveling is any indication at the PI Blog where people can sound off about the trade. It appears the average Mariner fan thinks this is a bad deal and some even blame Bavasi for our lack of current minor league talent....if the M's ownership and management group is catering to the average fan who chimes in on that site...no wonder we have Hargrove, Everett and trouble on the horizon. Hopefully Lincoln and co. will ignore the masses who seem to lack some semblance of baseball knowledge.... but their track history leads me to believe the complaining will lead to the brakes being put on Bavasi and keep him from doing what needs to be done....including the firing of Hargrove.

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser period, someone who didn't try hard enough - Ted Williams

by Dollar97 on Jul 6, 2006 4:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I will give you $14.57

if anyone in the Ms FO reads the PI blogs/message boards.

by Matthew on Jul 6, 2006 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree...

My point is they pander to the run of the mill ticket buyer....not the fans who have been fans through the Plummer and Lefebvre era and dumped dollars on the M's when the sucked profusely....they cater to the fans who came around in 1995 and say things like my former mother-in-law said to me the other day..."I miss my Joey and the boys...why can't we have guys like him". I have known her 24 years and she became a fan in '95 and only knows what she hears from the knuckleheads who say Willie B is good because he "hustles".....these are the people the front offer panders too and it sucks.

Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser period, someone who didn't try hard enough - Ted Williams

by Dollar97 on Jul 6, 2006 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

YAY JOSE!

by WAB on Jul 6, 2006 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

they pander to it when the team's not winning

because, say what you will, the Ms have a great PR dept.

However, I am quite sure that the FO realizes that a bland 90 win ballclub would outdraw a 75 win team full of Coras, Bloomies, Boonies, et al.

by Matthew on Jul 6, 2006 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Joe Mays pitching for Cincy right now

Started the game like this: single, single, RBI single. LOL. Maybe we should offer them Pineiro too.

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

By the way...

The three "character and attitude" guys on the roster, as of a day ago:

-Guardado
-Everett
-Bloomquist

Is it any coincidence that they all suck?

by Jeff on Jul 6, 2006 5:02 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

All Star Game

looks like nomar and pierzinski are the final people for the all star game. My faith in the ability of average fans to judge baseball talent is finally gone

by armedpp on Jul 6, 2006 5:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Nomar

Deserves it.

by Garces on Jul 6, 2006 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A.J. doesnt

Liriano does.

Ozzie Guillen is a piece of shit for picking so many White Sox and leaving Liriano off.

by phil333 on Jul 6, 2006 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

blame the people who voted as well

by Matthew on Jul 6, 2006 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

The White Sox came up with this

"punch AJ" campaign to get him in. As in punch the ballot.

They tried to do something similar with Podsednick last year too but failed. And if I remember correctly, Ozzie was behind that.

So I got a feeling he was behind this too.

So Ozzie is at the very least, half to blame for this crap.

Fire Mike Hargrove!

by Goose on Jul 6, 2006 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, even the White Sox SB board is endorsing

this.

Redicolous.

AJ over Liriano or Hafner for that matter is sickening and is exactly why the fans must be stripped of their right to vote for the all stars.

Fire Mike Hargrove!

by Goose on Jul 6, 2006 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nomar does

my problem is with AJ who doesnt by any stretch of the imagination, should have clarified

by armedpp on Jul 6, 2006 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

AJ deserves

to get punched in the mouth again.

SWUNG ON AND BELTED! DEEP TO... shortstop....

by Gomez on Jul 6, 2006 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Second that

The best moment of the year for me was him taking that fist. When I feel down I turn the Tivo on and watch it over and over again. Call me twisted but it gives me immense pleasure.

Yep, I've changed my name... it should read Gopher Ball Pinieiro instead of Joel Pinieiro.

by Susheel Ramasahayam on Jul 6, 2006 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs