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I Guess I Should Weigh In On This

ROSTER UPDATE: Morse down to AAA to accomodate Perez. For those of you in the Tacoma area who enjoy seeing good defense at short, enjoy your complementary kick in the balls.

Here's what we know:

  • Carl Everett sucks against lefties (and righties, but anyway)

  • Roberto Petagine is a left-handed bat, so he doesn't make for a great alternative

  • Eduardo Perez is one of the top lefty mashers in baseball, a guy I wanted to platoon with Matt Stairs back in the pre-Ibanez days. For his career, he's got an .889 OPS against southpaws; this year, it's 1.048. Used properly, he's going to hit a ton

  • Adrubal Cabrera is a 20 year old in AAA

  • As a teenager, Cabrera held his own in San Antonio, both at the plate and in the field

  • Cabrera has a Major League-caliber glove, but his offense has deteriorated as he's climbed the ladder

  • He's blocked by Jose Lopez and Yuniesky Betancourt for the next 23482734 years

Cabrera is a quality prospect - John Sickels gave him a B before the year started, and young middle infielders with offensive potential are hard to come by. His current line in Tacoma isn't very encouraging, but he's still not old enough to get himself plastered (at a bar), so you can forgive him for struggling a little bit while being pushed aggressively through the system. In short, he's a valuable player to have hanging around.

That said, he's not a blue-chipper; where Jose Lopez tore up AAA as a 20 year old, and Adam Jones is getting better by the day, Cabrera's having a devil of a time adjusting, hitting .211 with a 15/41 BB/K ratio since pitchers started finding the holes in his swing after a hot April. In rushing him to Tacoma, the Mariners wanted to find out what kind of player they had in Cabrera before the trade deadline, and by now they know that, while he's good, he's not an upper-echelon shortstop.

So they dealt him for immediate help. The middle infield is an organizational strength, so Bavasi traded from depth to shore up a weakness on the big league roster. We've known that Cabrera, like Choo, has been an obvious trade candidate for a while now, so the fact that this went down shouldn't come as that much of a shock. What's more surprising is what they got in return - an old, albeit still productive fraction of a DH. I always assumed that Cabrera would get packaged with some lower-level arms to bring in (say) a #3 starter, a bigger deal that would give the Mariners a reasonably formidable rotation. I didn't see him going straight-up for someone like Perez, a good player who should've come cheaper. In that respect, I'm a little disappointed. Cabrera's better than this.

Still, Eduardo Perez is going to help. The Mariners have been godawful against southpaws this year, with Ichiro being the only regular to post an OPS north of .772. Carl Everett's at .546. Perez instantly addresses a need, probably making the M's one or two wins better over the course of the season than they were a few hours ago. In this division, that's huge. The price was high, but sometimes a team that's playing well for the first time in years has to spend more than it wanted to to make the roster better and improve its chances of winning in the short-term. Welcome to the world of competitive baseball.

This was, of course, avoidable - had the Mariners started the year with Roberto Petagine instead of Carl Everett at DH (and maybe Mike Morse as a platoon mate, or something), they could've gotten better production out of the spot while saving the organization money and a young shortstop. Given that that didn't happen, though, and that Petagine was as likely to assume the everyday DH'ing duties as I am, this is an important move, because it gives Hargrove an easy improvement that he'll actually recognize and trust in the right situations. Everyone knows that Perez is a platoon guy, so he won't be getting any AB's against righties. His presence on the roster essentially eliminates one of the two remaining automatic outs in the lineup.

I liked Asdrubal Cabrera. Well, I like Asdrubal Cabrera, and he could be a good player for the Indians. However, he was never going to be a good player for the Mariners, not as long as Lopez and Betancourt are around, so his only value to the organization was as trade bait. Could Bavasi have done better? Almost certainly yes, but at the same time, by filling a glaring hole, he's suddenly made the team a lot better. It's not a brilliant move by any means, but it's not horrible, so I'm willing to accept it as a necessary consequence of getting to watch a winning team for the first time in forever. As for Cabrera, best of luck in Cleveland. You're a good young player, and they're a good young team. It's a good fit.

What does this mean as far as future moves are concerned? The DH slot is pretty much set, now, meaning Bavasi is unlikely to deal for a LF or another positionless bat. The only remaining obvious offensive upgrade would be in center, where Jeremy Reed looks hopeless but remains young enough to interest bad teams with good CF's. The problem is that there aren't really that many good candidates out there, with Kenny Lofton probably topping the list of "cheap and available replacements." Adam Jones is still a year away and both Choo and Snelling would be awful in center, so there aren't really any in-house solutions, meaning we're stuck with Reed or someone like Lofton for the rest of the year (barring some unforeseen blockbuster). As the only legitimately troublesome slot in the lineup, though, I'm not so sure that we absolutely have to find an upgrade.

I'm guessing that, if/when Bavasi makes more moves, they'll address the pitching side of things, as the team is in desperate need of a #5 starter and a middle reliever capable of missing bats. Joel Pineiro sucks, and outside of the big three, Mateo/Woods/Fruto/Green/Guardado are a weakness. The good news is that improvements shouldn't be too costly or difficult to find, so by all means, let the trade speculation commence.

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Pretty much my exact reaction
I'm glad we have Perez, but I expected more in return for A-Cab.

That being said, Pineiro and Everett should just be scrap heaped at this point. Get Snelling up here and I'd be looking at what it takes to get Jeff Weaver here.

by Matthew on Jun 30, 2006 11:54 AM PDT reply actions  

How much for Weaver?
Answer: not much.  The Angels just DFA'd him.

by kenshin1 @ Lookout Landing on Jun 30, 2006 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's my point
but you have to see what they want in a trade because there could be other teams interested. If all they want is a live body back, I'd consider it.

At the min, if he makes it through waivers, meaning he'll cost ~150K, you gotta jump on a guy like that.

by Matthew on Jun 30, 2006 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one...
...that's gone way beyond gun-shy and into paranoia when it comes to talking about promoting Snelling, especially as regards a medium-to-long term future?  

I mean, he's a really good player, and he can definitely help this team, but the "if" in "if he can stay healthy" is, in my mind, bigger than the "if" in "if Willie Bloomquist played every day he'd be much better, because right now he doesn't get a chance".  And that's saying something.  

So, yeah, bring Snelling up as soon as possible, but make damn sure there's a Plan B and C behind him, just in case...

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Jun 30, 2006 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

the plan B would be to put
Everett back into the DH slot.

Plan C - Petagine.

Plan D - Choo.

by Matthew on Jun 30, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem
with being gunshy about Snelling, is that he's not helping the big club from Tacoma. If he comes to Seattle and gets hurt....that sucks, but at worst, for the club, it's a wash.

If were guarenteed to stay healthy in Tacoma, and guarenteed to get hurt in Seattle, he may want to play out the rest of his career in AAA, but there are no guarentees.

When he's ready to face MLB pitching, give the kid a bat and let him do his thing. Let the rest fall out where it may.

by AnotherAaron on Jun 30, 2006 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the idea of Lofton
But, I'm not sure if a competing team like LA would want to deal away a solid, starting caliber CF.

Anyone know how much Lofton's been playing lately?

I also like the idea of Weaver.  

YAY JOSE!

by WAB on Jun 30, 2006 12:04 PM PDT reply actions  

NL team
I really doubt the Angels will help the M's out at all.  I would be looking for some talent from a lousy NL team in the central or east.

by striketwo on Jun 30, 2006 12:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Good guys to watch for
Passable pitchers from teams with hitters parks that get cut.
"...after seeing him for 500 career starts, hitters still haven't figured out a way to consistently pounce on his junk." - Jeff on Jamie Moyer

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2006 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

oooh!!! I know I know!!!!
will we be seeing some starting today???  They can probably just trade and have them stay in seattle!

by MT on Jun 30, 2006 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

oops
sorry. this was a reply to Gomez above :)

by MT on Jun 30, 2006 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
Kidnap Jeff Francis from the visitors clubhouse.
"...after seeing him for 500 career starts, hitters still haven't figured out a way to consistently pounce on his junk." - Jeff on Jamie Moyer

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2006 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pineiro pretty much sucks...
...but would he be an improvement over Mateo if you put him in the bullpen?  Or Sean Green for that matter.  If you traded someone like Yorman Bazardo to the Angels for Weaver, you could DFA Mateo/Green and strengthen the #5 rotation slot and the bullpen all at one time.

by arbeck77 on Jun 30, 2006 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

you wouldn't DFA Green
you'd send him back to Tacoma

I'm not sure if Joel would be any better in the pen. He has pretty much no stuff.

by Matthew on Jun 30, 2006 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

As a rule of thumb
all starters get better in the bullpen. It's just an easier job.

by Jeff Sullivan on Jun 30, 2006 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

True
I just mean I don't see him getting much better, unless moving to the pen allows him to gain back the 5 mph he's lost.

by Matthew on Jun 30, 2006 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't Underestimate
Pineiro's ability to defy the rules! The first thing he would do in the bullpen would be to pout until he pissed off every other pitcher out there. Then he would eventually get into a game and suck, just to prove he doesn't belong in the bullpen. At that point, any trade value he might have had would be long gone.

by kva15 on Jun 30, 2006 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jeremy Reed for Mike Cameron?
Throw in Livingston or somebody in that mold if needed.

SD gets younger/cheaper. Reed hit well in SD, and is (or should be) a bit like Brian Giles, so they could talk about his approach.

Seattle gets a cult hero with some pop until Jones is ready in '08.

Won't happen, but it's not completely lopsided.

by AnotherAaron on Jun 30, 2006 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

UH OHS, JAMIE AND JARROD
Don't underestimate the Rockies. They are playing .500 ball on the road and hitting .305 against left-handed pitchers.
"...after seeing him for 500 career starts, hitters still haven't figured out a way to consistently pounce on his junk." - Jeff on Jamie Moyer

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2006 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

How much farther...
Down would you put them right now? Only 3 teams have better records than them that are below them. I may drop them down to like 11 or 12, but not much futher.
Mariner Magic http://www.marinermagic.blogspot.com/

by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Jun 30, 2006 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of high
Whoever ranked the Mariners 9th needs to pass the dutchie on the left hand side.
"...after seeing him for 500 career starts, hitters still haven't figured out a way to consistently pounce on his junk." - Jeff on Jamie Moyer

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2006 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice, but mid-teens is more like it
The ranking comes after multiple poundings of the National League. Everyone in the AL is feasting on the NL in interleague. For Pete's sake, even the Royals swept a series.
--Shrug

by Shrug @ Lookout Landing on Jul 1, 2006 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I, too
hoped Cabrera would be part of a deal for a starter. Oh well. There's still hope.

by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 30, 2006 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

Question
whose spot does Perez take on the roster? Morse?

by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 30, 2006 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Yep
Morse was sent down to AAA.
Fire Mike Hargrove!

by Goose on Jun 30, 2006 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hope the Mariners win tonight
because I would really like to think about something other than this trade right now.
Vote Lopez.

by jtopps on Jun 30, 2006 3:53 PM PDT reply actions  

What if the Mariners won
after a walkoff bomb by Eduardo Lopez?
"...after seeing him for 500 career starts, hitters still haven't figured out a way to consistently pounce on his junk." - Jeff on Jamie Moyer

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2006 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eduardo Lopez?
Is that our awesome 2nd baseman who absolutely pounds lefthanders?
Vote Lopez.

by jtopps on Jun 30, 2006 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

OOPS, my bad
I was referring to our new pickup, Jose Perez, the one that's replacing Carl Bloomquist as the #5 starter.
"...after seeing him for 500 career starts, hitters still haven't figured out a way to consistently pounce on his junk." - Jeff on Jamie Moyer

by Gomez on Jun 30, 2006 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the Injuns blog
Perez has an option for next year for a little under 2 million. Why not keep him on next year, platooning with Snelling or Petagine. It worked well this year for Cleveland with Perez and Broussard.

by Rollo Tomasi on Jun 30, 2006 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed
He's pretty cheap for next year, not to mention the Indians are picking up all of this years salary minus like $200,000.
Fire Mike Hargrove!

by Goose on Jun 30, 2006 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed again
That makes this deal that much better.  Now, if Chris can prove he can stay healthy for more than 3 games, we'll head into '07 with a killer DH platoon.

Perez is a damn good player to have on the bench...

YAY JOSE!

by WAB on Jun 30, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Johnson getting lit up in Florida
Maybe passing on him was a good thing...
YAY JOSE!

by WAB on Jun 30, 2006 5:21 PM PDT reply actions  

My thoughts
We may have overpaid a little bit, but I didnt really have high hopes for A-Cab.  He struck me as exactly the kind of guy Seattle normally holds on to way too long and never really amounts to much.  Like Bloomer.

This is the FO saying, "you know what, let's make this team better right now and give the chaps at Lookout Landing something to cheer for for the next few months."

Losing Cabrera does not kill the future of this team.  I'm all for it, and I'm excited.

by BrianV on Jun 30, 2006 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

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