My guess: Matt Clement for Joel + Eddie
My guess as to what is going down:
This will be a Red Sox/Mariners trade.
Going to Boston: Eddie Guardado and Joel Pineiro.
Coming to Seattle: Matt Clement. Perhaps others.
The reasoning: Matt Clement has continued to struggle with his location while his K rate has never recovered from what it was in the NL. The Red Sox are looking for a way to start Papelbon in lieu of Wells/DiNardo, but they can not do that without finding another option for closer besides Foulke. Hence they get Eddie.
This allows Boston to start Pineiro and Papelbon instead of Clement and DiNardo.
The M's get rid of Eddie allowing either Putz or Raffy to take over as closer and seemingly sell Piniero at his high water mark. Perhaps other players are involved, but I'll bet this is the gist of the trade.
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by PositivePaul on Apr 24, 2006 1:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This would be sweet
by david h on Apr 24, 2006 1:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
by manyoso on Apr 24, 2006 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
by jtopps on Apr 24, 2006 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Its going to be tough to trade Eddie
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you guys really want Clement
I think we could see Joel+Borchard going to a team for a couple good pitching prospects. I could see a possible deal with the Blue Jays where they would be willing to sell tomorrow for today since Burnett is hurt and they feel they have a shot of contending with all their offseason moves. The Reds and Angels have also had some pitching injuries and might be willing to dish out some decent prospects for Pineiro. I think the M's are in a good position to trade Pineiro because they have until the trade deadline to find the right deal. If they do make a deal and it looks like they might, it had better be a sweet deal for us.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 1:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony Womack was just DFA'd by the Reds
by jtopps on Apr 24, 2006 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
thats been in the works for a while, but
by david h on Apr 24, 2006 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hits left-handed"
by david h on Apr 24, 2006 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
this might be our saving grace
by jtopps on Apr 24, 2006 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh
That's a shitty trade but it looks plausible.
by Gomez on Apr 24, 2006 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've GOT to be kidding me.
by eponymous coward on Apr 24, 2006 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes
by Gomez on Apr 24, 2006 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it makes it any better
Just to make sure everyone understands. This is a rationalization for possible actions. Womack is garbage and that is why the Reds DFA'd him.
Oh yeah, just to throw this out there: Pineiro and Borchard to Reds for Griffey, Womack, and good prospect + $ for Griffey's contract. Won't happen but fun to talk about.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually wouldn't doubt that
I may dreaming but how awesome would that be
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 24, 2006 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, bad news
K. Griffey Jr. CF Apr 13, 2006 15-day Strained biceps tendon in right knee
by Gomez on Apr 24, 2006 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew he was on the DL
by Scruffy Lefty on Apr 24, 2006 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds acquired OF Cody Ross from LAD earlier today
by Alex B on Apr 24, 2006 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be skeptical...
Boston's got Papelbon, and Foulke's started to look more like himself lately - they probably won't look twice at Guardado. Jo-el may have some appeal to them, but I'd be quite surprised if Eddie went to Boston...
by pdb on Apr 24, 2006 2:37 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok I got it now
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 2:39 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
If you wanna scare him
It's like the Fear of God: the Fear of Playing For The Royals.
by Gomez on Apr 24, 2006 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon guys
If Pineiro goes to the Reds it's going to involve Kearns or Freel.
by PLU Tim on Apr 24, 2006 3:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No not straight up
That said, I agree with you. Bavasi needs instant returns on any trade he makes right now since the management is probably panicking.
by jtopps on Apr 24, 2006 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Junkballing #4/5 starter for an OF with pop
by Gomez on Apr 24, 2006 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esp.
by david h on Apr 24, 2006 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to repeat
Also, once again, Womack sucks.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: my comments
by Gomez on Apr 24, 2006 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Tony Womack ever a good player?
by Alex B on Apr 25, 2006 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think about this
Yeah thats right a .385 slugging percentage.
by Goose on Apr 25, 2006 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pathetic stuff, no doubt about it
As a Brit who's only been following baseball since 2001, I don't have a great knowledge of how "baseball thinking" has evolved over the years. But I'm always amazed that in a sport that lends itself so naturally to quantitative analysis, talent-evaluation at the manager/GM-level is so frequently based on anything but the numbers. Tony Womack becomes part of the MLB furniture on the back of an inexplicable All-Star call-up whereas the Justin Leones of this world get typecast as AAAA-players because "all" they have done is put up consistently good performance in the minors.
I realise that this is not a new debate for the good people of LL but I guess I'm just expressing my frustration at the Mariners' perpetual lack of direction! :-)
Ta.
by Alex B on Apr 25, 2006 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of it
I'm sure someone looked at Womack and thought they may have the next Julio Cruz (and when looking at Cruz' stats, remember to adjust for the run-scoring context of the early 80s): a solid defender who could steal 70-80 bases.
There are teams that love the stolen base, and no amount of BP articles about run expectancy will change that. If he gets on base at .320-.340, that's probably enough for a lot of teams.
I think that's silly, especially since Womack had trouble making it to .320 even in the minors (even though he was as old/older than the league), but it's extremely tempting to people who thought of Vince Coleman as a game changer, and those who think Scott Podsednik is a great player now.
To be fair, Womack does have some impressive SB numbers (very few CSs), and I don't begrudge him or GMs for the fact that he carved out a solid, NL career out of his skillset. He wasn't really competing against Justin Leone, however much we wish he was - he was competing against guys like Alfredo Amezaga, Esix Snead, Esteban German and a hundred guys nobody's heard of.
by marc w on Apr 26, 2006 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "fit" point you make is a good one.
by Alex B on Apr 27, 2006 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Gomez on Apr 25, 2006 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just goes to show you...
by basebliman on Apr 25, 2006 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok if we trade Pineiro for Prospects.
We need a starting pitcher if we deal pineiro so here are some that would qualify as sweet trades.
6) Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers
Would take him in a second for Pineiro + garbage*. He is a good pitcher right now and could be great if he doesn't get hurt and can get some more control. 99mph fastball + 80mph change = scary.
20) Matt Cain, San Francisco Giants
Lots of Ks but a fair amount of BB. 21 yrs old. Would like. Worrell, their closer, has blown two saves already. Barry's last season = desperate.
19) Anthony Reyes, St. Louis Cardinals
Sounds like injury is a problem and gives up a fair about of fly balls but strikes guys out and has good control. Ready for MLB. Cardinals will need a lefty to replace Mulder if they don't resign him. Also, Cardinals could use Borchard probably.
16) Chad Billingsley, Los Angeles Dodgers
Throws hard and lots of Ks. 21 yrs old. Decent secondary pitches and no injuries. LA has bad pitchers and are injury prone.
23) Joel Zumaya, Detroit Tigers
21 yrs old. Hard throwing. Bad control but lots of Ks. May be better for a reliever spot but still undecided. Could get him much easier than Verlander.
27) Jeremy Sowers, Cleveland Indians
Might be willing to part with him only because they are so stacked (but very unlikely). Ready for MLB. Great K/BB and is a lefty.
33) Jon Lester, Boston Red Sox
Don't need to say much. Everyone knows the situation. Local guy. Probably won't be able to get but who knows.
38) Philip Hughes, New York Yankees
Still in A ball but is 19 yrs old. Has small injury problem but is unhittable. Yankees need pitching but A ball is a bit low. I'd like a guy who is near ready.
37) Jered Weaver, Los Angeles Angels
Great college pitcher. Great fastball but extreme flyball pitcher. Great K/BB ratio. Projects to middle of rotation but has tools. Colon got hurt for Angels so they might be a bit desperate plus they kinda suck balls this year compared to the A's and won't make the playoffs even if the Rev is in denial.
42) Jon Papelbon, Boston Red Sox
Same as Lester except not local. Older at 25yrs old which limits upside a bit.
47) Chuck James, Atlanta Braves
Small with average velocity. Extreme flyball pitcher (needs to leave Texas bad). Numbersres look really good but might not have the stuff. Braves might need a SP, backup OF, and closer.
Removed all Marlins b/c they are broke. Just thought I'd throw this together. Discuss.
*Garbage is defined as a combo of Guardado, Mateo, Lawton, Borchard, Petagine (sorry) and useless minor leaguers who will not be named.
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine
by david h on Apr 24, 2006 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Works for us...
by zagreusmd on Apr 24, 2006 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
by Edgar for Pres on Apr 24, 2006 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, what about that Pujols guy?
by marc w on Apr 24, 2006 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
why...
by kenshin1 on Apr 25, 2006 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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