Last Set Of 2006 League Averages

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 2:44 PM PST in Seattle Mariners News, Regular

DH: .261/.356/.485 (AL only)
C: .268/.326/.413 (all)
1B: .282/.358/.483
2B: .275/.331/.407
SS: .274/.327/.408
3B: .274/.344/.452
LF: .276/.348/.456
CF: .267/.332/.425
RF: .277/.345/.458

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I know it's irrational and all

But I hate Jose Vidro more than Rene Rivera right now.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2006 2:57 PM PST reply actions

I hate that he's fat.

Eat a salad.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 3:00 PM PST up reply actions

Won't eating a salad

Make you more fat than not eating a salad?

It's like people saying they saved money when they went shopping. It's really odd.

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2006 3:04 PM PST up reply actions

Well I'd rather he not fast and die.

That's needlessly mean-spirited.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 3:06 PM PST up reply actions

If he did it -really quick-

He'd fail his physical. Still disinterested?

by Graham MacAree on Dec 15, 2006 3:15 PM PST up reply actions

Hmm.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 3:20 PM PST up reply actions

Am I the only one . . .

who thinks Jose Vidro looks a lot like Larry Flint? [IMG]http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/players/5827.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.freedomforum.org/graphics/2002/01/photos/Flynt.Larry.1-4-02.jpg[/IMG] sorry - not really quite sure how to post pictures.

by JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo on Dec 15, 2006 5:12 PM PST up reply actions

Try this:

We're doomed!!!

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 19, 2006 8:07 AM PST up reply actions

My conversation with my GF

Her
"It was on sale"

Me
"It was $50 bucks and we have no use for it"

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 15, 2006 3:15 PM PST up reply actions

Won't eating a salad

Alright....how about, "eat celery"?

Raw celery is essentially undigestible by us human folk....therefore it costs more energy to pass it through the gut than the body can retrieve from it...

Just keep the peanut butter or cream cheese off of it...

by jojo on Dec 15, 2006 4:55 PM PST up reply actions

We have an unsuitable number

of fat guys on our roster.

by Gomez on Dec 16, 2006 9:55 PM PST up reply actions

I think the problem lies more in the talent issue

but I'm willing to concede that the team plane might need reinforced floors and a stronger engine.

by Matthew on Dec 16, 2006 10:03 PM PST up reply actions

That's wasted fuel

That costs this team money. Wasted fuel and restaurant money.

by Gomez on Dec 17, 2006 12:25 AM PST up reply actions

Fine.

We can just reinforce the floors and leave the engines alone.

Of course, that would mean the plane wouldn't have enough power to sustain flight, but... ahh, oh well, I'm sure it would be fine.

by Matthew on Dec 17, 2006 11:05 AM PST up reply actions

At least it's the same now

Fruto is gone.

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck. Horacio Ramirez doesn't suck but is way worse than Soriano.

by Mariner John on Dec 17, 2006 1:40 PM PST up reply actions

O HAY

that's actually a good point.

by Gomez on Dec 17, 2006 3:16 PM PST up reply actions

On the subject of averages

Is there any way to find this data, but split according to handedness? That is to say, the averages for a left handed batter at a certain position, or the averages for a right handed starting pitcher?

by Slozbury Stouvre on Dec 15, 2006 4:14 PM PST reply actions

Not as far as I know.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 4:19 PM PST up reply actions

DH = Lowest average?

Jeff, why is it the DH's have the lowest averages of all the positions. I see they have the best power numbers, so I suppose they strikeout alot, but I would imagine that the "Designated Hitter" should be batting higher then the shortstop

Oh, and poop on Vidro. Mature, eh?

by ypmaj on Dec 15, 2006 4:34 PM PST reply actions

I imagine Carl Everett

brought the league average down at least .080 points

by Slozbury Stouvre on Dec 15, 2006 4:54 PM PST up reply actions

Off the top of my head

it could be one of two things:

(1) one-year fluke (I'm having trouble calculating data for prior years)

(2) DH is where teams put mashers who draw walks and hit for power because those guys generally aren't real good athletes. And one of the consequences of being a guy who draws walks and hits for power is that you get deep into counts and therefore strike out a lot, dropping your average

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 4:59 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah, here we go.

The overall average strikeout rate is 17.0%. Last year's AL DH's whiffed at a 19.2% clip.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 5:01 PM PST up reply actions

DH = Lowest average?

For what its worth, my reply would be two-fold...

First, you're probably seeing random variation...
Second, remember that the DH figures include numbers from both leagues (don't forget inter-league play). When just eyeballing the league breakdown for DH over the last several years, the NL seems to bring down the DH numbers. It makes sense I suppose considering the differences in roster formulation between the two leagues.

by jojo on Dec 15, 2006 5:06 PM PST up reply actions

I didn't include the NL

for that specific reason.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 15, 2006 5:08 PM PST up reply actions

I didn't include the NL

Oh....so thats what you meant by AL only....

>>>>>>slapping forehead<<<<<<<<

by jojo on Dec 15, 2006 5:10 PM PST up reply actions

is it just me

or do way too many AL teams really f' up the DH slot... how often do you see just a random 4th outfielder or a 3rd baseman getting a night off or something like that

too many teams have biases against real DHs, so they're left hoping than a few nights of Frank Catalanatto mixed with whoever's getting a night off will work

www.royalsreview.com

by Freneau on Dec 15, 2006 5:45 PM PST up reply actions

See:

White, Rondell

Willie Bloomquist and Mike Hargrove suck. Horacio Ramirez doesn't suck but is way worse than Soriano.

by Mariner John on Dec 16, 2006 2:17 AM PST up reply actions

Rondell White

made Bigotsaurus look good last year.

by Gomez on Dec 16, 2006 9:56 PM PST up reply actions

Thanks guys

Those are some good thoughts---
I suppose that Im just longing for the days of Edgar

by ypmaj on Dec 15, 2006 5:09 PM PST reply actions

DH = Lowest average?

The positions are ranked by OPS below. In general, there are no mysterious surprises using OPS as the offensive metric for comparison. The defensive spectrum seems to hold...the best hitters were at the easy end of the spectrum and the worst hitters were generally at the premium defensive positions. Basically, the spread can be broken into three groups: DH/1b>>other corner positions (LF/RF/3B)>>middle positions. I'd argue that while C was higher than 2b (a break from what the defensive spectrum would predict) really, they aren't different production-wise in a practical sense (so I wouldn't make a big stink about it). So really, while the ave issue for DH is a curiosity, I wouldn't emphasize it too greatly. Clearly the DH position has some of the best hitters overall and as we all know, AVE isn't a great metric for evaluating offensive worth anyway.

DH: .841
1B: .841
LF: .804
RF: .803
3B: .796
CF: .757
C: .739
2B: .738
SS: .735

by jojo on Dec 15, 2006 6:12 PM PST reply actions

everyday

What ticks me off about this is that after Edgar, the Mariner brass seems to really hate the idea that the DH position can be rotated to rest people and keep some bench players sharp at the plate with some hacks. Of course, Vidro will get his share of at-bats since Mike Hargrove doesn't use bench players anyway.

Between Soriano-for-Ramirez, this Vidro trade, and the Seahawks imploding, it's a real great time to be a sports fan in Seattle.

Sports and Bremertonians. Because we can.

by wackomann on Dec 15, 2006 6:35 PM PST reply actions

For Goose

a Die In A Fire Update:

27 die in fire at Pakistan wedding party

By KHALID TANVEER, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 2 minutes ago

MULTAN, Pakistan - A fire erupted in a wedding tent in eastern Pakistan, triggering a stampede and the collapse of a wall that killed 27 women and children, police said Sunday. The bride was among the dead.

Mike Hargrove, it turns out, was not among them.

May they rest in peace and perhaps join the Natives underneath Safeco in haunting the Mariners.

by Gomez on Dec 17, 2006 12:26 AM PST reply actions