I'm Trying To Rationalize This But I Can't.
Rosenthal says it's done, pending physicals.
Assuming this trade goes through as detailed below - and I don't know why it wouldn't - it's just...it's...what?
Let's say it stops here and no further moves are made (except Broussard leaving). Then you're paying Vidro to DH, which Snelling could do better for a fraction of the cost. It doesn't make a lick of sense.
Now let's say it doesn't stop here. Let's say Vidro becomes a regular. Nobody has the balls to send Betancourt to prison for his immigration thing, meaning the most likely outcome is that Jose Lopez goes somewhere else. Jose's a talented, young, cheap second baseman who could bring a big return in a trade, but do you really trust Bavasi to cash him in for maximum return? Honestly?
And then you're left with the problem of playing Vidro in the middle of the infield every day. Vidro's a bad defensive second baseman, which has a direct negative effect on our two newest starting pitchers, and he's aging in a hurry, dropping from a .293 EqA in 2003 to .263 a year ago. He's a switch-hitter without any real platoon splits, which is neat, but he's a 32 year old who's been plagued by a rash of lower-body injuries in recent seasons. Since 2004 he's missed 163 games while on the DL. You can't make the argument that Snelling's expendable because he's injury-prone because Vidro is every bit as fragile. Oh, and he's worse.
Edit: Vidro could conceivably also play first if Sexson gets dealt instead of Lopez, but that hardly makes anything better. Seriously, think about it. Snelling and Fruto for Jose Vidro at first base? What?
The mind boggles. The only - ONLY - advantage Vidro has over Snelling is his alleged ability to play the middle infield, which he can't even do anymore. This is a nonsensical trade, and I'm afraid it's going to be part of a bigger, even more nonsensical picture.
The most valuable assets in baseball are early- and pre-arbitration players who give you solid production for pennies. In the past week Bill Bavasi has dealt two of our best away, and now he's threatening to ship off a third. This is absolutely, positively unforgivable, and I don't know why I put up with it.
As far as I'm concerned, the only possible way to salvage this whole thing is to trade Jose Lopez for some young ace like Jeremy Bonderman or Jake Peavy. That's it. That's the only way. And I don't think it's going to happen. Do you?
What a clusterfuck.
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The words flow when I'm pissed.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
You know, I think I could become a Nats fan
Yeah know who's got good talent
The Diamondbacks.
I remember 2005...
I still think the Ms will win 80-85 games in 2007, but Bavasi's sure eating away at his bullpen.
by spokane dude on Dec 13, 2006 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I too am done rationalizing.
Fuck you Bill Bavasi. I've defended move after move, I even tried to see the good in getting Horacio Ramirez for a player clearly more valuable than him. So what's the deal with trading a player that Bill Bavasi himself said he liked at many a USSM feed? Jose Vidro is going to be worse than Carl Everett. Any idiot can see that. Then again, any idiot wouldn't have signed Carl Everett last year. Snelling would've been our best hitter this year if he had ful playing time. What other hitter would hit .280/.380/.450 on this team? This deal is worst than Varitek/Lowe for Slocumb. I'm glad I got my Snelling autographed ball before this shit went down.
When Snelling lights up the NL, you'll regret it Bill. Have fun finding a job this year, and please, take Howard Lincoln with you. Jeff Sullivan for CEO! Jason A. Churchill for GM! Hell, I'd take my ex-girlfriend's partially retarded sister over Bavasi now. Congratulations Bill, you just sabotaged a franchise just before leaving it.
Who wants to go start an anti-Bavasi/Lincoln/Armstrong rally at the Safe right now? I'll bring the gasoline if you bring the torches! Seriously. Let's organize like, a thousand people to go protest this bull shit.
I already own one
I'll be at Safeco field in an hour
That said, I'd be shocked if this wer ethe end. the next more is going to be trade Ben Broussard to the Orioles for a bag of magic beans. THEN we'll be done.
Trading
by Josh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 13, 2006 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
seriously tho
by Bigfoot Hunter on Dec 13, 2006 5:52 PM PST reply actions
A few weeks ago
Thats it...
Jeff is not allowed to buy autograph baseball cards of good Mariner players
by Naliamegod on Dec 13, 2006 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
So, can you buy some autographed Hargrove cards?
by eponymous coward on Dec 13, 2006 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I have one.
I'd sell it for a supply of antidepressants, except I think Jeff might need them more.
Hmmm.
by PositivePaul on Dec 13, 2006 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
LL interview curse
do me a favor
USS Mariner is no more
uhh jeff
by Bigfoot Hunter on Dec 13, 2006 5:56 PM PST reply actions
I bought a Felix card in September.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
What if?
I think he would have traded Mary and baby Jesus for a 15 year old Donkey, with a history of lameness.
Bavasi/Joeseph quote from the Jerusalem Times "But hey, that Donkey is a veteran. And look...he worked for the conquering Romans. He is a proven winner!"
The forum at firebillbavasi.com
by Bigfoot Hunter on Dec 13, 2006 6:00 PM PST reply actions
Jeff
its either F or "I think you mean Thompson"
By the way
I want to blame this on Hargrove, like the Choo trade, but I can't. It's just stupid.
More good news
Haha.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Well
by MfaninAlaska on Dec 13, 2006 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
oh my fucking god...
by Naliamegod on Dec 13, 2006 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ah good, I'm not the only one who's laughing
lol
I think my psyche just cracked
by Naliamegod on Dec 13, 2006 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
I am fucking STUNNED
As soon as I get a chance I'm going to Seattle and burning my Johjima jersey and my Mariner hat outside of Safeco field.
What the FUCK?!
Change the poll
- Well, it was Schueroltz the first time
- Pretty much, yeah
- Yes
- I'm not happy.
- I'm worried.
- I'm angry.
- BOWDEN? JIM BOWDEN?
- Where's this guy's house?
- All we wanted was Doyle!
by Bigfoot Hunter on Dec 13, 2006 6:07 PM PST reply actions
And, for context...
by PositivePaul on Dec 13, 2006 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
That's going to stick for a while.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
At the very least
We ALL hate this offseason. Brothers, unite!
And Giles could've been had
I really wish the D-Backs had as awesome of
Seriously, that's the only thing keeping me a Mariner fan is you people.
Agreed
I wonder, can Snelling still be my favorite player, or does it just default to Felix now?
by BrettJMiller on Dec 13, 2006 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
I vote we DFA everybody.
Who is Bill Bavasi working for?
If this is the case he's doing great so far.
by ira500 on Dec 13, 2006 6:34 PM PST reply actions
I heard a rumor
by Vernitis on Dec 13, 2006 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
To crush any hope
"He said he is working hard this offseason to be a second baseman."
" 'I definitely want to play second base and that's where I think I'm going to play.' "
It wouldnt make sense for him to waive his NTC to come to a team where he wont play second base. Even if the Nats told him he wouldn't be playing second base in Washington, he'd only accept a trade to a team that would allow him to play 2B.
Bye bye Lopez. Probably getting Tim Hudson and Lopez will replace Giles and become an All-Star. And thats me being totally hopeful.
Jose Vidro at second base
Today suck-diddly-ucks.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
You know what's funny?
And he's all ours!
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
by Fuckmikereilly on Dec 13, 2006 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
well lopez was only average at best
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 13, 2006 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
yeah I kinda have a feeling
oh and is Broussard the full time DH now?
im so lost right now, I know like 5 names on the active roster right now,lol.
Thank god I don't live in Seattle any more
If and when we start contending I'll be back.
Fuck You Bavasi.
by MT on Dec 13, 2006 6:52 PM PST reply actions
Lovely
Fuck Bavasi. Fuck him so hard.
If your thirsty head on over to Detectovision
DOV
Bavasi has a bigger plan in store!
I never really find
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 13, 2006 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
You know
by Deanna on Dec 13, 2006 7:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And the new kid farts.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Now that...
I didn't need to eat those M&Ms anyway...
by PositivePaul on Dec 13, 2006 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Beltre trade?
It's certainly possible.
Seriously, how do you make this trade with a handful of decent 2B's already available on the FA market? How?
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
Re:
by Marc Normandin @ Lookout Landing on Dec 13, 2006 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
Uh huh.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I could change
It's a shitty situation.
I wonder if this was what bill
I don't think he understands
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 13, 2006 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
seriously
They may lose some stupid games and we might kick and scream at the D, but at least they put a freakin winner on the field. Honestly there going to get a home playoff game and yet I've still complained, NEVER AGAIN!....THANK YOU SEAHAWKS!!!
I porbably could of made this exact same post about the M's in 2001 when the Hawks were sleeping with the fishes,lol.
I wish I gave a rats ass about football
I made this to celebrate the Mariners incompetence

by BrettJMiller on Dec 13, 2006 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
DJ's my favorite Hawks Receiver
by BrettJMiller on Dec 13, 2006 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Shouldn't Jackson
At least they got rid of Koren Robinson, and that Branch trade....money in the bank.
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 13, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
im sure
However in D-Jacks defense, he is having a great season. Minus the drops.
Poor Sonics
by Mariner John on Dec 13, 2006 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Well, there were no Peterson in Hawks gear
by BrettJMiller on Dec 13, 2006 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Couldn't you have picked
Nah, I think basketball sucks
And I still think the Hawks deserved the W last year, even if they didn't get it, but I'm over the complaining part of the Superbowl.
by BrettJMiller on Dec 13, 2006 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
I really think
Is this really a topic of debate now
Right now, the M's are MUCH worse than they were a year ago.
This fucking sucks. I hate this fucking team. What the hell is wrong with Bavasi? He should be fired immediately.
I am so fucking pissed off.
I need to quit going to work
I don't know
I think I am going to cry
by mariners124m on Dec 13, 2006 7:36 PM PST reply actions
Mariners Email
I want to send a fuck you letter to their fan feedback address.
You'll just get the same letter everybody else
I have a theory
Wait...
We're getting Zimmerman, too, right?
Thats not even funny
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 13, 2006 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
In my eyes
by Edgar for Pres on Dec 13, 2006 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Bavasi is on your team
BURN SAFECO DOWN.
Favor the Bold
If you believe Jose Vidro
Which means we traded a good, young, cheap DH for a worse, older, expensive one. But he switch-hits!
I almost want to see Lopez traded.
Jose Vidro to DH, though? What on Earth?
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
same here
Broussard > Lopez, in my honest opinion.
Broussard > Lopez
im saying that
Some are saying
Could this be a contigency move in response to the possibility of YuBet doing time?
No at all
It is illegal to traffic people. It is not illegal to defect.
There is no way that Betancourt will be charged with anything.
Even if he was, he would have to get deported in order to make this an issue, and that just isn't going to happen.
Whoever is posting that crap is just grasping for any sort of rationale for this bullshit.
The only explanation is that Bavasi is a fucking horrible GM.
Don't try to rationalize it....
There is just no way to justify this move.
If the M's wanted an injury prone DH, why not sign Cliff Floyd. Or Trot Nixon. Or Aubrey Huff. Why give up good young players for an old, broken down middle infielder who can't hit?
There is no reason here. This club is being managed by crackheads.
Can anyone here remember a club having an offseason this bad?
Bavasi has now put this club back three years.
Positioning though?
If not, then Bavasi has just ass raped every M fan.
Vidro as a DH
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 13, 2006 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 13, 2006 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
I just realized...I never get to use this anymore.
I always though Fruto looked like a big cuddly Sesame Street Monster...
Not shocking to ge someone like vidro for dh
by tkjinak on Dec 13, 2006 8:24 PM PST reply actions
Maybe I shouldn't stay away from my computer.
The one solace
Hell
by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 13, 2006 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Remember when our bullpen was good and deep?
Sherrill
Huber
Woods
O'Flaherty
Mateo
Green
Jimenez
"Lowe"
A real thinning of the herd going on.
Remeber when we thought we were going to have
by tkjinak on Dec 13, 2006 8:42 PM PST up reply actions
AND it just gets better....
Not only are the Mariners taking on $12 million of Jose Vidro's $16 million salary for the next two years, they're also going to give him a vesting option for 2009 to make up for him waiving his no-trade clause.
It just keeps getting better. At least the Mariners didn't give up talent when they brought in Carl Everett to DH last season. The trade sending Vidro to Seattle for Chris Snelling and Emiliano Fruto is set to be officially announced on Thursday.
by anotherjeff on Dec 13, 2006 8:42 PM PST reply actions
All right, now I've heard
Lopez isn't going anywhere. Broussard's getting dealt for whatever.
I honestly cannot find the right words for this.
I think you mean "Thompson"
It's sad.
Now we don't even get Thomson and everything else has gone to hell.
Tear.
by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 13, 2006 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
In other words,
LOL. We just traded a good, young hitter for an old, bad hitter. And we threw in Fruto, a 22 year-old arm and agreed to pay 75% of the old, bad hitter's remaining salary, AND we let him vest a 2009 option. When he'll be 35.
Good heavens. What planet am I on?
Charlie Donovan and Lou Brown
by Vernitis on Dec 13, 2006 8:52 PM PST reply actions
Can't wait to see what we get for broussard!!!!
broussard/fruto/soriano/snelling
Could have come close to getting manny. and getting the right piece for broussard and shipping that off to boston probably does get us manny.
by tkjinak on Dec 13, 2006 8:55 PM PST reply actions
I just posted a similar message USSM
I'll hang around the blogs until the start of the season, because it's comforting to have people to empathize with.
But I hate this team.
I can't stop rooting for this team
by spokane dude on Dec 13, 2006 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
I think Graham said
Shhh.
by PositivePaul on Dec 13, 2006 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well
This move is totally shitty like the others, but it's not enough to totally spite me, especially when it leaves images of pink slips in Bill and Grover's hands.
Whatever
Fortunately, as teasing and then spiting as it really is, it's still only baseball.
by Josh @ Lookout Landing on Dec 13, 2006 9:19 PM PST reply actions
Heh, USSM made a alteration to their campaign

The worst way to wake up ever
I'm just curled up in to a little ball and wanting to die.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 13, 2006 10:12 PM PST reply actions
Look on the bright side
With that in mind, everyone should say "Hi Bill," or some other such salutation as might come to your collective minds.
Oh, and would someone with far more computer savvy than me please arrange it so every time Bavasi logs into Lookout Landing, a nice, healthy dose of kiddie porn is planted on his computer and a copy is sent to the owners?

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