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Bloomquist appreciation thread

        I always thought Bloomquist was a great player until I came to sites like this and USSMariner.  I alwasy though of him as a poor man's Ryan Freel, Chone Figgins, Mark Derosa, or Michael Cuddeyer, who are all pretty good players I think.  Its weird because I would think he would be a fan favorite, not someone who is made fun of all the time.  Despite people making fun of what announcers' call grittiness, that word is a good way to describe him.  He can play every position except catcher (I believe he said he would be willing to try out catcher as an emergency backup catcher last spring training) and he can play them all adequatley.  Sure he's not a great backup, but he allows us to have lefty righty combos like Benuardo (who by the way suck and should be bashed more).  If Lopez has to go back home during the season, I feel comfortable letting Willie man the helm at second for a few days, and if Beltre has soreness in his groin, I feel comfortable letting Willie spell him for a few innings a game for a week or so.  He's also a pretty good baserunner, and while thats not too important, it's a plus.
          Back to the gritty part, he plays hard, and he plays his heart out.  He seems to be extremely loyal to the team, and is also a team first type of guy.  Willie should be a fan favorite because he doesn't seem to have much more talent then the average fan.  He's just a guy getting by on what he has, but willing to do whatever for the team he loves.
        There will probably be a lot of posts pointing out how much he sucks, but whatever, every team needs a guy like Willie, and I'm glad we have him until at least 2008. Hopefully he's a Mariner for like like Dan Wilson, Jamie Moyer (excluding the beginning of his career because it never happened and the end because that's not happening right now), Edgar, and Buhner.

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Things I like about Willie
  • He hasn't ever tried to kill me.
  • He's better than Scott Youngbauer.
  • He gives the Mariners an excuse not to sign some other crappy utility guy.
  • When he fails and makes one of his 175-200 outs, we at least expect it.
  • blah blah good AAAA backup and pinch runner who tries hard
  • gives the blogosphere an easy target to slam, or else we'd have to focus all our spiteful energy on someone better who probably doesn't deserve it, like Ichiro.

by Gomez on Nov 28, 2006 1:08 PM PST   0 recs

Bloomquist has Zito
Youngbauer has Jered Weaver.   Freakish.

But yes, WFB is better than Scotty Baseball.  

by marc w on Nov 28, 2006 1:19 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Until last year
Bloomquist also had Washburn.

by Gomez on Nov 28, 2006 2:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Heh.
He still has Hargrove, if ya know what I mean...

Wink, wink; nudge, nudge; say no more.

Are we there yet?

by PositivePaul on Nov 28, 2006 2:21 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

But Zito at least was good
Jered Weaver's only ever been pretend good.

by Graham on Nov 28, 2006 3:30 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Please enter a subject for your comment my ass
I think the general consensus is that most of what you've said is true; he's a good utility guy to spot sub and a great baserunner to pinch run, and as long as he's used in those situations most people don't have a problem with him.  It's just Hargrove thinking that he can be an everyday CF that rubs most serious baseball fans the wrong way.  He just can't hit that well (or at all against righties), so he shouldn't be up there that often.  Grover's misutilization of him leads to people bashing on Willie more than he probably deserves (although I don't think it's possible to bash Grover any more than we already do).

That said, Willie is a huge fan favorite of what I would call the "casual fan" and a lot of the Ms fans from Seattle, but when you get online with all the stat-crunching hardcore baseball guys from across the country who have no interest in the home-town thing, yeah he gets a lot of crap.

by appleshampoo on Nov 28, 2006 1:12 PM PST   0 recs

And Willie Bloomquist wins the award for...
Person who should've taken steroids before baseball started cracking down.

In all fairness, he is an adequate defender at many positions and he hustles, but none of that matters when he steps into he batters box.

If only baseball had a designated fielder...

by TyranT on Nov 28, 2006 1:21 PM PST   0 recs

Or, a designated runner...
Imagine the possibilities with Edgar at bat, and Willie running in his stead 3-4 times a game.  That'd solve some of our woes...
Are we there yet?

by PositivePaul on Nov 28, 2006 1:27 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I've got a 4.1 second 40 yard dash
Why not let me be the designated runner? I'd make Garrrrr proud.

by TyranT on Nov 28, 2006 2:38 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Sweet Jesus
why aren't you at the NFL combine then?

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 28, 2006 2:42 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Ahh that's a good question.
Best answered with:

I'm only 5'7"

That and that was back in 2003. I'm much slower than I was back in high school. I think my record still stands at Lake Washington High... it'd be interesting to see.

by TyranT on Nov 28, 2006 11:02 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

SO!!!
You could return punts. NFL teams only look for physical ability

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 28, 2006 11:15 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

well I left out the most critical piece of info
I'm 5'7" 145lbs.

I'm more of a baseball player, played a lot of shortstop and pitcher back then. Had a decent fastball, pretty good curve, and was trying to work on a changeup with a guy named Jim Jackson, he's a scout for the Florida Marlins. Ended up being the reason my friend Nick Hundley was drafted back in 2001.

After hearing people talk down on me because of my size, I kind of gave in and gave up the dream. I wish I hadn't, but due to my weakened ankles, I figured it was a sign.

I'd like to get back into sports though, I still have my speed for the most part, but my agility and strength are far below what they were back 2 years ago.

by TyranT on Nov 29, 2006 9:58 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Think...
Ichiro / Joey Cora size wize. Very lean, strong, but very very lean. I need mass big time though. BIG TIME. I've never been able to gain much of anything... cept recently this little belly I've developed watching sports and playing fantasy sports...

by TyranT on Nov 29, 2006 10:00 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

heh, you should have tried to play in Japan
you're about the same size as a few guys who've had a lot of success there.  Makoto Kosaka, who was shortstop for Lotte for like ten years, is something like 5'6" 145.  A number-one draft pick pitcher the Fighters just took is like 5'8" 170.

Though, to be fair, Bobby Valentine is only like 5'9 and many of his Japanese players tower over him :)

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Nov 29, 2006 1:14 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

That would be awesome.
I'd love to go off to Japan to play ball. What an experience that would be.

Hearing thoughts like that definately gets my mind motoring... I'd love to be able to pitch again. If I were to get into shape and play, I'd have to be a pitcher. Don't get me wrong, I love shortstop, but I'm not great with a bat.

Is it just me or is it weird that I can hit for better contact lefthanded, when I'm a righthanded? Well I guess its not all that weird, it makes sense. When I was batting right handed, I tried to hit the hell out of the ball just to keep up with the big boys, which typically had me undercutting the ball. Lefthanded, I focused more, wasn't trying to do much with the ball, and just poked it through.

I think I need to find a decent trainer.

by TyranT on Nov 29, 2006 4:49 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Don't see why you could be a pro pitcher
You are fast, this is your best asset, if you are going to have any chance you need to be doing something that utilizes your speed.  Does being 5'7'', 145 make you a good pitcher?

by Grant H on Nov 29, 2006 4:55 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

It means I have to work a lot harder than most.
The one thing I have going for me is that I have very strong legs which help me generate speed on my fastball. The last time I pitched was in 2003 when I was 17. I could hit 87 on the radar at 5'7" 135lbs. That 87 though didn't come often. I was more comfortable in the 82-85 range. Maybe if I can gain some weight and flexibility I could get that up higher, but even then I really doubt my chances.

I'm sure that overseas, there's a few pitchers that profile me.

If pitching isn't the route, I think I'd be a WFB type, adequate at most positions, great on the basepaths, but less than average with the bat.

by TyranT on Nov 30, 2006 7:57 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

edits:
that profile like me.

Generally when I did hit 87, it was when I was overthrowing too much.

by TyranT on Nov 30, 2006 7:59 AM PST to parent up   0 recs

Here's to you, Willie
He does get too much crap, frankly.  He's a terrible hitter, but there are a surprising number of those out there.  A good base-stealer, a flexible (if unspectacular) defender, plays hard.   He's not the anti-christ.

As for his laments about playing time, well, yeah, he's probably misjudged his own ability level.  But we deem a form of arrogance/cockiness/confidence well-nigh essential in players we like - we just hate it in other players.  Part of it is the disconnect between his performance and his demands (you'd like to see a bit more self-awareness there; get a couple of doubles before demanding the starting RF job, ferchrissakes), but I think that just adds a surrealistic/comedic flavor that I really enjoy.  So thanks for that too, WFB.  

And don't hate WFB for getting 250ABs, hate the manager and the front office for that one.  It's not just Hargrove, either - I don't know what 'it' is that WFB displays in practice, but he's been the favorite now for years, a status that no amount of futility can undermine.  For this too, WFB deserves to be studied, not cruelly mocked.  

by marc w on Nov 28, 2006 1:27 PM PST   0 recs

I don't mind WFB IF....
He is playing the 25th man who isn't ever going to be a starter or get more then 100-125ab's a year.

When you give a horrible hitter 250ab's a year and then pay him a million a year, it becomes a fucking joke.

by Grubbie on Nov 28, 2006 1:27 PM PST   0 recs

Sigh.
Do we really have to do this every time someone cracks a Bloomquist joke?

I think I speak for most Bloomquist-bashers when I say that I think that the problem that I, and that most blogosphereans, have with Bloomquist is not actually with Bloomquist.  It's with two things:

  1.  The way he's utilized.
  2.  The disproportionate amount of adoration he gets from the local media and casual fan base.
If Bloomquist only got a few innings a week, or was brought on to steal the occasional base late in a game, then that'd be fine, and I suspect most people would lay off.  

Hargrove runs him out there as a starter a couple times a week, though, and that, combined with his, shall we say, not-great hitting skills, kills any usefulness he has.

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 28, 2006 1:28 PM PST   0 recs

My take
Bloomquist had 122 ABs as a CF last year, 15 as an RF.  I don't see him getting those king of ABs this year.  These happened simply because Reed got hurt and nobody else stepped in to fill the gap when given the opportunity (Borchard, Jones).

He's a decent option to give Lopez or Betancourt a day off.  Maybe 5-10 games in the outfield.

If he has tops 150 ABs, fills in for a game every week and a half, pinch runs, and is a defensive replacement in a pinch, he's a fine quality 25th man.

He's overpaid, but not so overpaid that he's going to break the budget or cost us much.

Our bench was horrible last year and he was seen by Hargrove as the best option.  It's that simple.

by Egaas on Nov 28, 2006 1:40 PM PST   0 recs

If you're going to celebrate grit and scrappiness
Why not move your adoration to Chris Snelling? That man's been knocked down so many times it's unreal, and he -still- gets up and plays when any sane person would have given it up. He's also, from all accounts, really laid back and cool.

Hardnosed, gritty, stubborn, etc -these describe both Snelling and Bloomquist. Except he's also quite good at baseball.

by Graham on Nov 28, 2006 1:44 PM PST   0 recs

Recruiting
He's the reason every NCAA coach in america gets mail from untalented white guys delusional enough to think they deserve a scholarship.
Bill Bavasi is no slouch in bed.

by Vernitis on Nov 28, 2006 2:01 PM PST   0 recs

Appreciation
Willie Bloomquist is the only player on the Mariners who has ever thrown me a baseball.
Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Nov 28, 2006 2:08 PM PST   0 recs

Sadly
Unfortunately, he was trying to hit the cutoff man at the time.
Bill Bavasi is no slouch in bed.

by Vernitis on Nov 28, 2006 2:16 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Bloomquist is to civic engineering
as syphilis is epic poetry.

by Matthew on Nov 28, 2006 2:15 PM PST   0 recs

Bloomquist is to baseball
as genital warts are to love.
I killed a 12 pack just to watch it die...

by Dollar97 on Nov 28, 2006 2:39 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Does that mean
that Bloomquist only tells people he's a baseball player when he gets really close to them and knows for sure he can trust them, and right before he sleeps with them?
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 28, 2006 3:28 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

He waits until after the game
and you realize he went 0 for 4 with three strike outs and a dribbler to short....
I killed a 12 pack just to watch it die...

by Dollar97 on Nov 28, 2006 3:35 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Bloomquist has a hot wife
so I guess thats something

by Scruffy Lefty on Nov 28, 2006 2:41 PM PST   0 recs

Or Not...
So does Greg Dobbs from what I hear.
Are we there yet?

by PositivePaul on Nov 28, 2006 2:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I love Willie.
Without him blogging would be mind-numbingly dull. I'd have to spend my nights praying for the Mariners to sign Darin Erstad.

by Jeff on Nov 28, 2006 3:49 PM PST   0 recs

Be careful. You might get Eckstein too.
Don't say that too loud.  This off season has a long way to go.  From a comedy gold/writing perspective, Erstad and Bloomquist would be the Rowan and Martin of 2007, but I want the Mariners to suck no worse than they did last year...
Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 28, 2006 3:58 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not a fan of the ignitor
I know it must be hard for you that you found out that your favorite player sucks, but why create a thread trying to rationalize why you still like this pussy?  

I think most people that read this site are baseball analysts, I want to know how to construct the best possible roster and the minimum price, I want to find unvalued commidities.  Bloomquist is the antithesis of that.  He gets more money and more playing time than he deserves because he is a 'fan favorite' and a brown-noser.  There are hundreds of minor-leaguers that are as good or better than Bloomquist and can be had for nothing more than a more league contract.  

I hate Bloomquist because the more playing time he gets the more he hurts my teams chances of winning.  On top of that he is a tool.  Who ever liked the teacher's pet, the buster, the nark?  When I see a Willie Bloomquist fan I see someone who doesn't know much about baseball or a bitch, which one are you?

by Grant H on Nov 28, 2006 3:50 PM PST   0 recs

Fundamentally disagree with you here, my friend
I'm a Mariners fan before I'm a baseball analyst. You could offer me Santana straight up for Ichiro and I'd say no. Webb for Snelling? Go away.

I'm interested in the analytical point of things because it's fun, and because I harbour dreams of being the first English GM, but when I talk here, it's as a Mariner fan first. If Bloomquist came off as more than a boring unclassy stereotype (i.e. had humourous Yoda-related quotes, etc), I'd probably like him. But he's boring -and- bad.

by Graham on Nov 28, 2006 3:56 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

I've never analyzed a baseball in my life
But here goes:

It's round.
It's off-white (at least the one on my desk at work is).
It's got red stitching, some of which is fraying a bit but not enough to threaten the integrity of the ball.
It's got some logos, including the MLB logo and the manufacturer's logo.
Willie Bloomquist can't hit it.

How'd I do?

Nice Guys Finish Third - Hopelessly lost, but makin' good time.

by pdb on Nov 28, 2006 3:59 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

My bad
I shouldn't speak for other people, that post is my opinion.  Also don't take it too hard (anyone) I'm just bored and felt like trashing Bloomquist.

by Grant H on Nov 28, 2006 4:05 PM PST to parent up   0 recs

Buhner?
Did the beginning of his career in pinstripes never happen either?

by apunetid on Nov 28, 2006 6:20 PM PST   0 recs

Also
I hear Dan Wilson never played for the Reds.

by Josh on Nov 28, 2006 6:58 PM PST   0 recs

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