Breakout & Collapse Candidates of 2006
Something you've been hearing all offseason (from us and others) is that, as currently constructed, the Mariners are roughly a .500 team with a chance of competing. You may have a little trouble making the connection between those two points - after all, how could an 81-81 team possibly stand a chance of making the playoffs outside of the NL West? - but most of it can be explained by standard statistical variation over a 162-game sample. Given a team capable of a .500 winning percentage over a full season, its final W/L record will fall somewhere between 75-87 and 87-75 more than two-thirds of the time (one standard deviation from the mean), but there's also an 8% chance that it wins at least 90 games, which is usually enough to make some noise in the division and wild card races. So, already, we can say that the Mariners have a legitimate chance of looking like a pretty good team, even if they aren't.
Another factor that comes into play here, though, is the fact that in any given season, there exists the possibility that certain members of the team break out or, on the other side of the coin, totally collapse. A breakout player, like Adrian Beltre circa 2004, will obviously help the team's chances of competing, while a Cirillo-esque bust will do considerable damage. Assessing the likelihood of each team's potential booms and bombs can help you get a better idea of where that team is more likely to finish. After all, if you have a .500 team with a bunch of young players, it stands a better chance of exceeding the mean, but if you re-populate the team with a bunch of equivalently-talented old men, odds are better that it falls short.
So where do the Mariners stand? To answer that, we have to take a look at the players on the roster who are most likely to see a significant change in their productivity between 2005 and 2006. Those players, along with brief explanations for each, are listed below in no particular order:
Potential Breakout Players:
Kenji Johjima: He'll only be 29 at the start of next season, and he put up some eye-popping numbers in Japan. Most projection systems have been conservative and pegged him for an OPS in the mid-.700's, but there's definitely some flip-out potential here.
Adrian Beltre: I don't think I really need to explain this one. He's still just one year removed from one of the best seasons of all time, and he turns 27 in April. Now that he's got a full year of AL experience under his belt, he might be ready to resume beating the snot out of the ball on a consistent basis.
Jose Lopez: A 22 year old with a career .852 OPS in AAA shouldn't have this much trouble in the Majors. He showed some pop after being recalled from Tacoma late in the season, so while it might still take him another year to get comfortable, he may be ready to establish himself as a quality regular.
Jeremy Reed: The wrist is better, and now he's a year wiser. He was an excellent line drive hitter in the minors with fantastic control of the strike zone, and he's still only 24, so a 75-100 point OPS improvement isn't out of the question.
Joel Pineiro: I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he shaves 150 points off of his 2005 ERA. He's not as good as he was four years ago, but he's not nearly as bad as he was last season. I'm expecting him to be a fairly reliable middle-of-the-rotation pitcher going forward. Still just 27.
Gil Meche: Just kidding.
Potential Implosions:
Felix Hernandez: He's a 20 year old flamethrower who's in line to make 25-30 starts. The team's going to handle him with special care, but he's young, he throws hard, and he has some kinks in his mechanics, so the downside here (major injury) outweighs the upside (keeps being healthy, awesome).
Richie Sexson: He's 31, the injury specter is still there, and last year was pretty much as good a season as anyone could have predicted. He's going to drop off; the only question is how much.
Carl Everett: Fortunately, this one would be pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but Everett has really let himself go over the years, and at this point he features the kind of skillset that can erode rapidly. Turns 35 in early June.
Raul Ibanez: 33 (34 in June), and his BA took a sizeable hit last year, dragging the SLG as well. Looks a lot like one of those guys who's going to draw more walks at the expense of hits as he ages, but he doesn't have the kind of raw power to make a smooth transition.
Jamie Moyer: The man could be your grandfather.
Eddie Guardado: 35 years old, still has a trick shoulder.
Jarrod Washburn: His ratios are going south, he's past his peak, and he's recently been fighting some injury problems. Stands a pretty good chance of adding 100 points to his ERA.
I guess you could also put Kenji Johjima on the second list, just because of the whole Kaz Matsui thing, but I think he's far more likely to succeed than he is to crater.
In the end, while the second list is bigger than the first, I think the probability that certain key players break out is higher than the probability of an implosion or two. Most of the guys on the second list are only there because of injury concerns, and while a few of them may get DL'd during the season, I'm much more confident in some of the guys in the first list taking off as they approach or enter their primes.
The Mariners didn't make themselves any younger during the offseason, but for the first time in a while they're going into next season with a lot of young players in a lot of places. There's plenty of downside to the starting rotation, and there isn't much depth in case something terrible happens, but the starting lineup has upside out the wazoo, and one or two breakout seasons would make it one of the best in the league.
So, to bring this all back to the intro, yes, I think the Mariners are roughly a .500 team (closer to .512, but whatever). And yes, I understand that simple variation can make .500 look a lot like .463. That said, I think the difference between this year's team and the two that preceded it is that the 2006 Mariners stand a much greater chance of finishing above their projected level than below. An injury to Felix Hernandez would be a killer, but I don't think the other potential implosions would be that big of a deal, as the roster could probably cover for them without losing too much. The upside, though...it's there, it's real, and it's huge. This team is one big breakout player away from being legitimately good, and given its youth, I think that's something to be excited about.
Jeff's note: just to clear things up, I omitted Yuniesky Betancourt because I don't think he's real likely to make a substantial offensive improvement in 2006. I like him a bunch, but he doesn't strike me as much of a breakout candidate, at least not yet.
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Cool Post
Jesse Foppert.
Yeah, he'll start the year in AAA, but if that velocity is back, he could be a force.
by PLU Tim on Jan 13, 2006 3:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wishfull thinking
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 13, 2006 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He and Nageotte
by Jeff on Jan 13, 2006 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised...
by Graham on Jan 13, 2006 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Pineiro
If so, I'd put the over/under on his next contract at $20 million, irregardless of how he pitches in 2006.
by Trev on Jan 13, 2006 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here, let me help with this
Gil Meche: He did eat a lot of oily foods this offseason and even if in his 30's, a man can suffer a bad acne breakout.
by Gomez on Jan 13, 2006 6:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
here's the part i don't understand
(On the other hand, I'm not convinced that this rotation will get the M's to .500, let alone contention -- and having 12 guys in the bullpen will be a necessity, unless Bavasi adds another decent starter somehow.)
by toonprivate on Jan 13, 2006 8:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: here's the part i don't understand
There's also the whole "questionable talent evaluation" thing, but Bavasi's been both good and bad in that respect depending on which move you look at, so I'll save that for another time.
by Jeff on Jan 13, 2006 8:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I don't see the M's coming out over .500, and the main reason is the pitching. I think that, of the group of Moyer, Washburn, Felix, Meche and Pineiro, it is a near certainty that one of them is injured or just totally brutal next year. That is bad. If they can hold off until later on in the season, and let Foppert, Nageotte, Livingston or whoever else get some polish in AAA, then maybe they can deal with that. But right now, Kevin Appier is our plan B. That is bad.
I think that 80-82 is a good guess. Jeff is right about them being a long-shot to contend. But they are also a long-shot to lose 95 games.
by Jerry on Jan 13, 2006 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sexson
Implicit in your argument is the notion that Sexson had a huge breakout year last year, and that he is definitely due to fall off. I don't think that that is true. He did have a great year, but it was pretty consistent with his previous performance. You just have to disregard 2004, when he didn't play much:
- .272/.379/.548, 45 Hrs, 98/151 BB/K at age 28
- .263/.369/.541, 39 Hrs, 89/167 BB/K at age 30
Really, Richie's 2005 is not at all outside what you would expect from him. He could regress a bit, but 2005 was not a freak year like Beltre's 2004 was.
Plus, Richie had nobody of consequence hitting behind him last year. For the majority of the year, it was either Boone or a struggling Beltre. The M's offense should be better next year, and he should have better protection in the lineup.
Also, Richie struggled a bit in April and May after his hot start. This was very likely a combination of switching leagues and not playing in 2004.
I don't see Richie as a good possibility to breakdown. His injury issues are minor at this point, as he was totally healthy in 2005 (only missed time with the flu). He might not be quite as good as 2005. But he could easily hit 50 HRs as well, especially if he is hitting in front of better players. With Johjima, Beltre, Ibanez and Everett as the likely guys to hit behind him, that seems likely.
by Jerry on Jan 13, 2006 10:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If a RH hitter
by Matthew on Jan 13, 2006 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sexson's splits
Home: .254/.365/.541 with 21 HRs
Away: .272/.373/.541 with 18 HRs
His splits are not extreme at all, and he actually hit more homers at Safeco than away.
Safeco didn't hurt him nealry as badly as a lot of people think. I don't see any reason why this would change in 2006.
Fifty may be a stretch, but it is not out of the question. He could easily match his career high (45). He almost did last year.
by Jerry on Jan 13, 2006 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Sexson
Bear in mind that this is a list of players who could potentially fall off. Just because Sexson's odds are probably among the highest on the team doesn't mean that he's likely to collapse.
by Jeff on Jan 14, 2006 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget his shoulder
I can't for the Leone4third.org post where Sexson's stats are translated to account for the "Shawn Green" effect.
Anyway, do you think it's still possible it'll just "explode" again one day?
by Trev on Jan 14, 2006 4:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Washburn
by Isten on Jan 14, 2006 6:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Washburn
by Jeff on Jan 14, 2006 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching in Safeco this year...
by basebliman on Jan 14, 2006 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On Sexson
Not that knowledge of OBP is going to help him avoid a slight drop off, but it's good to know that he is working on that aspect of his game. In the season prior to his shoulder injury (2003) his BB/SO ratio was up to .65, up from his regular .50 or so. Not a great improvment, but it's worth noting. Given that Sexson missed nearly an entire season in 2004 and switched leagues, I don't think it's entirely unreasonable to expect him to not drop off, or even maybe improve.
by JLC on Jan 14, 2006 10:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Most hitters similar to Sexson that are at his age
by Goose on Jan 14, 2006 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You heard it first from a Bostonian ;)
"The Red Sox and Mariners have agreed to a trade that will send CF Jeremy Reed and a prospect to Boston in exchange for RHP Guillermo Mota, Bronson Arroyo, and AA southpaw Randy Beam. The prospect going East should be announced tomorrow, when the deal is released to the press."
I don't know the source. It wasn't listed.
I think this is a decent trade all around, and you guys certainly landed some quality arms.
Arroyo has and will continue to make 30+ starts a season. He doesn't have outstanding "stuff", but has good control and a nice curve. He pitches well and is consistant. He could be your #3 this season.
Who knows what you'll get with Mota, but the potential is there if he rebounds from his elbow trouble.
Here are Randy Beams MLE stats. Take them with a grain of salt, but it tries to project a minor leaguer's talent at the major league level. He could turn out to be a decent pitcher.
28.0 IP, 22 H, 12 ER, 3 HR, 16 BB, 21 K, 3.86 ERA, 1.36 WHIP, .208 BAA.
If this is true, nice doing business with you. I hope Reed pans out. I think you'll like Arroyo.
by SoxDevil on Jan 16, 2006 9:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
False alarm!
by SoxDevil on Jan 16, 2006 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it was...
by AgentProvocateur on Jan 16, 2006 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised you guys even took that site as
It's freewebs for god sakes.
You mean I could throw together some random website real quick with random baseball rumors too and it might actually be taken seriously by somebody?
lol
by Goose on Jan 16, 2006 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even need to check
The Mariners don't need relief help. They have a glut of bullpen arms at the ML level and in the minors. Why would we want to pick up Mota and Beam?
by Jerry on Jan 16, 2006 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
But as stated, the deal was bogus. I reiterate that Bavasi probably won't move Reed without getting a sizeable, USEFUL haul in return (i.e. guys we need and impact prospects).
by Gomez on Jan 16, 2006 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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