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Drive-by recap:

Biggest Contribution: Joel Pineiro, +50.3%
Biggest Suckfest: Adrian Beltre, -16.8%
Most Important Hit: Betancourt single, +28.6%
Most Important Pitch: McEwing double, -9.1%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): +63.0%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -16.2%

(What is this?)

It looks crazy to give Pineiro such a high rating for eight innings of three-run ball, but the reason for it is this - Joel induced two double play balls that Adrian Beltre screwed up, be it a problem with fielding the ball cleanly, or a problem throwing to second. For each of those plays, Pineiro was credited with a DP and Beltre was charged with a misplay. So, in terms of Win Probability Added, Joel really retired 27 batters tonight, not 24. As you can see pretty easily, it makes one hell of a difference.

Is Joel back? Let's see what he's done over his past three starts:

Innings: 22
Batters faced: 88
Baserunners: 25
Walks + HBP: 4
Strikeouts: 12
Home runs: 2
Groundballs: 29
Flyballs: 25
Strike%: 66.1%
Pitches/Inning: 14.1
BABIP: .271
ERA: 2.86
DERA: 4.03

Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you the new and improved Pitch-to-Contact Pineiro (curiously abbreviated as PCP). As percentages and prorated over a full season, Joel's strikeouts in his last three starts would rank as the lowest rate of his career, by a healthy margin. Thing is, so would his walks. Instead of nibbling around the corners, Joel is coming right at the strike zone, challenging the hitters instead of challenging himself. The results have been good, to say the least.

Does this sound familiar? It should - it's the same kind of thing Gil Meche did in the second half a year ago. Meche came back from Tacoma ready to pound the zone with strikes, which he did quite successfully. Although his strikeouts went down and his homers increased, Gil cut his walk rate and let the guys behind him do more of the work, which - given his 3.95 second half ERA - wasn't such a bad idea.

That's pretty much what Joel's done in his last three games, only without the home runs, since he's faced three pretty weak offenses (26th, 27th, and 29th in EqA). It's an approach which, if continued, could give him a little success, certainly more than he had doing whatever it was he did for the first four months. But here's where an important distinction needs to be made: there's a difference between being a good pitcher and being a good pitcher for the environment. In a pitcher-friendly ballpark with a swarming team defense behind him, Joel could put up a pretty shiny ERA as a strike-throwing dynamo. However, with another team in another stadium, the lack of strikeouts would really limit his potential performance ceiling. So, while Joel's been a pretty good pitcher in a Mariner context of late, I don't think you can really say that he's been a good pitcher, just. The Twins, White Sox, and Royals don't exactly feature lineups that punish guys who throw too many strikes, so Joel's been able to take advantage of this in avoiding the extra-base hits and the big innings. Let me know when he pitches well against a strong offense, and maybe then I'll give him a little more credit.

No time for anything else tonight. Series wraps up tomorrow afternoon at 1:35pm PDT.

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Just out of curiosity....
How does Reed go 3-4 with 2 SB, score the winning run, and end up with a negative rating? I didn't see the game, so was his one out in a big spot, and the rest of his game couldn't cover it? It probably happens all the time, but man, that's harsh.

by AnotherAaron on Aug 17, 2005 8:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Re: Just out of curiosity....
None of his singles - according to the Win Expectancy numbers - were that important.

It's a pretty small negative rating. Essentially negligible.

by Jeff Sullivan on Aug 17, 2005 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's the equivalent
of points scored by basketball players in garbage time, touchdowns scored in a football blowout. Some hits have little impact when taken in context. It's one of the reasons WE is a more solid indicator of a player's value than BA, RBI, even OPS. It's like the old adage of the ballplayer who puts on a show in batting practice, but can't hit in an actual game when the chips are down and it counts.

by Gomez on Aug 17, 2005 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so.
WE is a more solid indicator of who contributed to a single win (or loss), but because it's entirely context-dependant, it has almost no bearing on a player's overall value. WE is heavily driven by teammates' performances, making it basically the equivelant of RBI from that standpoint, but in terms of what stat I would use when building a team from scratch, it means nothing.

by AnotherAaron on Aug 17, 2005 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sound argument
Certainly your ability to help your team win is the product of what your teammates do to set the table as well as what you do when the chips are down. However, you can make that case for many numbers in all sports. Strikeouts aside, the majority of outs a pitcher records are the product of his defense behind him. Keep in mind that football players don't score touchdowns without blocks from teammates, other teammates gaining yards and so on. Certainly a point to ponder. Lots of guys can hit .300, hit home runs or throw strikes. Which ones can do it when the team needs it or needs the boost, though?

by Gomez on Aug 17, 2005 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not the equivalent
Without the second stolen base Reed would not have scored on the INFIELD single.  He deserves more then a negative rating.

by Peen on Aug 17, 2005 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pineiro vs. Felix, redux
I agree that Pineiro is likely inspired and somewhat challenged by the callup of The Mariners' Messiah (I'm fairly certain he'll blow past that kingly title and inherit a more honorable one).  Considering he's had to follow in his footsteps now for three games against the same teams Felix has faced.  How much of it is shell-shock and how much of it is Pineiro's pitching remains to be seen.  

I'm much more inclined to believe that Felix will have success, not unlike the success he's already had, against more potent lineups than Joel will.  In spite of a quality start and a decent performance by Joel, it wasn't as impressive as I've seen even Joel pitch.  I'm still concerned for his health (as I am also concerned for Gil's).  

Good game, I'm glad we won.  Even as deep as our suckage has delved, I'm not surprised we're able to beat KC.  

Go M's! Mariners Morsels If not then The Lame List should do.

by PositivePaul on Aug 17, 2005 10:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Also don't forget
Pineiro was about to get sent down at the end of last month, and then Franklin got suspended, Campillo got hurt, and Pineiro got to stay out of necessity, but it together with Felix's arrival may have been a wake-up call that his clock is ticking, and he needs to get it together. And he may have gotten it together. We'll see.

by Gomez on Aug 17, 2005 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

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