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A Quick Assessment Of The Man In Charge

Bill Bavasi has come under rather significant criticism of late (much of it from me) for the way he's handled the '05/'06 Mariner offseason. Although, like anyone, he still has his loyal fans, in the past few days we've seen people say anything from "Bavasi's an idiot" to "he has no plan" to "how long until Theo?" With that in mind, I thought I'd fight jetlag and offer my own quick perspective on how things are shaking out, if only because it seems like a much better use of my time than worrying about how Corey Patterson is going to protect Ichiro in the lineup.

About a year ago, I said a few times that Bill Bavasi was in a pretty easy situation, all things considered - he had just witnessed the absolute and total collapse of a team for which he wasn't responsible, and in a city that craves its competitive franchises, he was essentially given a blank check to try and return the Mariners to respectability as fast as possible. It's remarkably simple to have a productive offseason when you have tons of money to spend and tons of holes to fill, and Bavasi didn't disappoint, coming away having signed two of the biggest names made available during the winter. The team saw renewed fan interest in response to the shiny, guaranteed upgrades. However, to me, we still hadn't learned that much about Bavasi as a GM, because he just did what any GM with the same kind of financial resources would've done. The true test, I thought, would come when Bavasi was forced to improve a team that was already pretty good. Only then would we be able to gain some insight into the true extent of Bavasi's baseball acumen.

I think this current offseason presented that opportunity to Bill Bavasi for the first time, and, to be perfectly honest, I'm not real impressed. Johjima was a nifty acquisition, as was Marcos Carvajal, but with the roster only a good all-around left fielder and front-line starting pitcher away from probable pennant contention, Bavasi settled on Carl Everett and Jarrod Washburn, two guys who aren't real likely to push the team over the top. Although we obviously can't say with absolute certainty how they're going to perform, Everett looks like a needless addition while Washburn looks like a Gillick guy who received far too large of a commitment for a pitcher with his profile.

And it's here, I think, that we see the enormous separation between the current regime and the last one. Where Gillick was famously risk-averse and overly cautious, Bavasi's going to spend a whole lot of money on the guys who he thinks will make the best additions (and make no mistake, Bavasi truly believes that Washburn is the kind of front-line pitcher this team needs). In other words, his philosophy is that if you're going to get burned, make sure the failure is spectacular. Given the whole Mo Vaughn/Anaheim thing, it's not like we didn't know this ahead of time.

It should go without saying that this kind of roster-building strategy is the very definition of high risk/high reward. When it works, you get a team with a handful of superstars leading the way into the playoffs, but when it fails, not only do you have to suffer through the under-production in the short-term, but you're also handcuffed by the big contracts down the road. While it looks like Bavasi may have struck gold with Richie Sexson, it also looks like he whiffed on Adrian Beltre and, if I may get ahead of myself, Jarrod Washburn. This, I believe, will be Bavasi's undoing. A guy only gets so many chances to hand out big contracts, and Bill's already spent $146m on 13 years of three big-name free agents. His future, more than anything else, probably hinges on how Jarrod Washburn performs in 2006, and if he turns out to be as disappointing as I think, then I'm sure we'll see Bavasi replaced by next December. Management just can't afford to hang on to a guy who throws a lot of money at the wrong players, because every bad contract only digs the hole deeper.

But even with all that said, the organization is in much better shape now than it was when Bavasi first took over in 2004. The preseason starting lineup has seen its average age decrease from 33.4 two years ago to 28.8 in 2006 (barring any more moves). The roster is both incredibly talented and incredibly young up the middle, with Betancourt, Lopez, and Reed all under team control for a number of years. There looks to be more help on the way, too, in the persons of Asdrubal Cabrera and Adam Jones (among a few others). The starting rotation is anchored by a 20 year old who's already one of the five best pitchers in baseball, and the bullpen is both effective and cheap, with enough depth to cover for a few injuries.

Under Bill Bavasi, the organization has had significantly better drafts (although most of the credit should probably go to Bavasi apointee Bob Fontaine), yielding as much or more talent in last year's draft alone than we saw in all the Gillick years combined under Frank Mattox. They've done a better job of utilizing capable players already in the system in lieu of exploring the market for equivalently-talented veterans who cost twenty times as much. With the developing pipeline of young players onto the Major League roster, the Mariners can look forward to a future of further development and improvement, as opposed to a team-wide age-related decline. There's a reason why I think this was pretty much a .500 team before any offseason tinkering was done - its worst offensive players a year ago were 21, 23, 24, and 26 years old, and we can probably count on a fairly substantial improvement from all four in 2006.

There's so much you could write about the state of the organization under Bill Bavasi, but because I have neither the time nor the stamina to do that right now, I'll just boil it down to a simple, one-sentence message: while it may seem like Bavasi's legacy will be fraught with disappointment, the truth of the matter is that, under his leadership, the organization has done a considerably better job of acquiring and developing young talent. In that respect, the fruits of much of Bavasi's labor may not become readily apparent until well into the next GM's tenure with the Mariners. It's just a shame that that same GM will probably be struggling with limited flexibility due to a few bad contracts at the same time. How much of that is really Bill's fault? How much blame can we put on his shoulders for, say, Adrian Beltre, about whom I and several others were particularly ecstatic? I'm not really sure, but since Bavasi's the guy who's ultimately responsible for making the big decisions, he's the guy who has to take the fall when things don't work out.

Would the Mariners be in better shape right now had they hired a different GM in 2003? It's certainly possible, and just by glancing at the team's won/loss records since then, one might make the argument that we could be far better off. But it could also be a whole hell of a lot worse.

For now, let's just hope that Jeremy Reed remains a Mariner for a long time, so that I don't have to write a much angrier version of this post.

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nice assessment....
however, I think you are giving Bavasi too much credit in terms of the youth movement of the big league roster.  It doesn't take particular insight to facilitate the rise of a young pitching phenom nor does it require brilliance to replace Bret Boone with a decently regarded prospect.  The best that can be said about Bavasi in this regard is that he didn't make any stupid panic trades.

by kenshin1 @ Lookout Landing on Dec 22, 2005 7:43 AM PST reply actions  

How much younger...
would the average age of the roster be without Jamie Moyer?

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 22, 2005 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

IWe Need to Give Him Even More Credit
I hadn't looked at the big-ticket signings in quite that light, but you nailed them.  one aspect I think you sold too short is the overhaul the 40-man roster has undergone this winter.  With Monday's moves, Bavasi has done a terrific job of shearing the drek and replacing it with useful or promising bits.  I am not certain why he waited until December 20 to do, but the roster looks right now.  I'd have preferred a NRI to a guy like Everett, but he clearly wasn't going to take that.  In the same light, sniffing around Corey Patterson has great upside.  To be glib, the smaller the deal, the better Bavasi has done with it so far.

One quibble:  we may judge Bavasi's record poorly based on Washburn's 2006, but it isn't the next two years of Washburn's contract I fear.  It's the last two.  I would have applauded a 2-year, $18 million deal to him.  There's a reasonable chance he looks good next year, but that won't change the outsized risk of the contract.

by xo 1 on Dec 22, 2005 8:14 AM PST reply actions  

I'm with you on Washburn
but Bavasi won't be around to take the blame for the last two years of his contract. Washburn will only have been here for a year (maybe two) by the time Bavasi gets replaced.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 22, 2005 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

wherever Bill Bavasi is...
I will certainly be blaming him for Washburn in 2008-2009.

by jtopps on Dec 22, 2005 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Probably two
I'm guessing we play .500 ball and Bavasi/Grover get another year as gratitude, then get canned after the team hits a wall.

Just a guess, though.

by Gomez on Dec 22, 2005 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

balanced assessment
Bavasi hasn't shown any particular acumen or, worse, design, in his major signings (though I think it's possible that the Washburn money won't be considered "major" by the end of his contract). But the very important BUT is that the rest of the system is on firmer ground.  The M's have promoted some promising guys from the minors, and we have a bunch of guys we like a couple of years away.  Of course it would be nice if a couple of those guys were pitchers. I agree with the above poster: important and overdue roster shuffling  has been accomplished, the system rationalized. Now, we just need lightning to strike (I mean that in a good way).
rightly, in every age it is assumed we are witnessing the disappearance of the last traces of paradise... Cioran

by toonprivate on Dec 22, 2005 8:43 AM PST reply actions  

baseball prospectus' take
Today's Baseball Prospectus looks at this year's offseason, for those that are interested. They don't hold it in high regard.  

by avayander on Dec 22, 2005 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

The folks at BP...
really, really, really don't like Bill Bavasi, for whatever reason. It's been that way for a while, now.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 22, 2005 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Probably
because he wants to trade a young OBP outfielder with plenty of upside for a middle aged (in baseball years) mediocre pitcher with no upside

by Scruffy Lefty on Dec 22, 2005 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

not crazy about evertt either .......
but beats the hell out of spazzzio
(and olivio and exxon and......)

maybe it's like jim morrison would say...
i've down so very damm long.... that it looks like up to me !

by boxscore willie on Dec 22, 2005 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

Credit
I think Bavasi should get credit for surrounding himself with some bright folks (namely Bob Fontaine), but the real difference between a GM that is smart enough to surround themselves with bright people in specific areas and a GM that's great is the ability to be the decision-maker who in fact pulls the trigger (or after measured thought declines to) on the big deals (meaning drafts/FA signings/trades/40-man roster composition).

Bavasi has clearly shown himself as a boss who brings in people who are good in their specialties, but I don't believe he has shown the ability (in Anaheim, Los Angeles, or Seattle) to make those stand-out decisions that significantly improve a franchise.

by Hobo on Dec 22, 2005 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

Risk is great only if ....
... you have the analytical acumen to back it up.  Smart general managers know how to identify and exploit inefficiencies in the marketplace ... not play into them.  

Bavasi's moves this offseason echo an insecure teenager at prom time: "Well, all the hot girls are getting snapped up fast ... I can't handle the idea of not going because I'll get ragged about it at home and by my friends and they'll start saying I'm gay or something, so I'll ask this chick who maybe isn't so great ... but rumor has it that she puts out."

It never even occurred to him not to buy into the hysteria of the marketplace, because he's just not smart enough to even entertain that such a notion could exist. It never even occurred to him to keep him cool, to project a calm confidence and enter into dealings with that mindset.  Instead, he's thinking, "I gotta get to second base at least with Everett or Washburn, or my friends are never gonna let me hear the end of it."

"It is always darkest before the dawn ... which makes it the perfect time to steal your neighbor's sports section."

by Jim Thomsen on Dec 22, 2005 4:42 PM PST reply actions  

Well you gotta admit that Beltre
had that one year where he cut his hair right, got the makeup combination going and looked really good like we all that he could since he hit puberty. Now if only she hadn't relapsed err...

by bluemax on Dec 22, 2005 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno
even hitting .259, that Adrianna Beltre chick was kinda-

okay, I'll stop.  That's kinda creepy.

by Gomez on Dec 22, 2005 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

what about this:
"Well, all the hot girls are getting snapped up fast ... I can't handle the idea of not going because I'll get ragged about it at home and by my friends and they'll start saying I'm gay or something, so I'll ask this chick who maybe isn't so great ... but rumor has it that she puts out," is inconsistent with the theory of getting good value out of a market gone crazy?  
Your 'insecure teenager' has a good head on his shoulders, Jim... If only Bavasi had the acumen of this character.

by marc w on Dec 22, 2005 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Pros and Cons of Bavasi
I really like your analysis Jeff.  Very evenhanded.  

I was pretty high on Bavasi until this offseason.  

Now, I think that the team can do better.  In evaluating him, it is useful to list pros and cons, then take a look at each point.  

Pros:
-not afraid to spend big money
-has done pretty well as a seller in trades, especially at deadline
-farm system is doing much better under his watch

Cons:
-Washburn and Everett
-inability to make really creative trades

Regarding the pros, I think that you can throw out the success of the farm system, as this has very little to do with him.  The M's were so bad in the draft prior to Fontaine, that it is not tough to improve.  It will be interesting to see how the M's do in the next draft, as they have a very high pick and are not losing any picks for the first time in a long time.  But this is more attributable to Fontaine than anyone.  

Regarding the other two pros, I don't think that these can be entirely attributable to Bavasi.  The willingness to spend big money has more to do with the organization giving him that money in the first place.  Anyone can sign a good player or two if they get a huge chunk of cash.  Thats not hard to do.  But the most disturbing thing about this offseason is the Washburn and Everett signings.  Both of these used up significant money.  However, the M's just didn't go all the way this time, as they did last year.  The Beltre signing might not go down as the best contract, but it was not a stupid move at the time.  Washburn's contract is stupid right now.  That is scary.  With Millwood there for the taking for a little more, and Jeff Weaver available for the same money, this is just inexcusable.  

The other thing I don't like about Bavasi's moves is his trades.  A lot of his trades have been pretty solid (Winn, Garcia, Torrealba, Villone), but, like his big signings, these are easy to make.  Being a seller at the deadline is easy, especially last offseason.  More difficult is coming up with creative trades in the offseason, when all teams are trying to improve.  Billy Beane always comes up with a really nice trade or two in the offseason.  The Red Sox put together a great trade for Beckett, even though they had to deal good prospects.  The M's aren't making these types of trades.  The only moves that were even rumored this offseason were the ones including Juan Pierre, which just didn't seem to make any sense.  With all sorts of teams making move after move, the M's just couldn't get anything done.  For me, that was disappointing.  

I don't think that Bavasi is a bad GM.  I just don't think that he is a great GM.  I would love to have the M's bring in someone like Theo or Beane or John Schuerholtz.  These guys make moves that are just flat out brilliant.  Moves that you never see coming.  Crazy three team trades that are bold and smart.  That is what I would like to see.  

I have a feeling that Hargrove will be gone if the M's don't get above .500.  I also think that he will get axed if Bavasi gets fired.  To me, this is almost a non-issue.  Managers just don't have the impact on a team that people think.  However, GMs have a huge impact in how a team does.  Bringing in a guy like Theo would be just as important in the long-term well-being of the team as a nice player contract.  

I think that M's should try to bring in one of this small group of really good GMs.  They should taring in Theo.  He'll probably trade away Washburn's contract in his first offseason, and get back a good player or two in the process.  He will also probably make a huge blockbuster involving Ichiro that all the fans will freak out about, that we will discuss for weeks, and that will make him look brilliant a year or two later.  

That would be cool.  

by Jerry on Dec 22, 2005 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

You really hate Ichiro don't you?
Nobody will trade Ichiro. He's not the face of the franchise like Nomar was with Boston, he's so far beyond that since he represents (still) an entire baseball culture over here and with a Japanese owner, no GM will trade Ichiro unless they want to be fired about 45 minutes later.

by Matthew on Dec 22, 2005 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Total speculation
How could you possibly know what the ownership's stance on this would be?  Really, you have no basis for saying this at all.  It is sheer speculation.  

Obviously, no GM could just make a trade like that on a whim, so nobody would get fired.  It just wouldn't happen.  But don't think for a second that anyone is absolutely untouchable.  And don't fool yourself into thinking that a guy's name and following outside the US are the key issues.  They are important, but performance matters.  

Give the owners some credit.  They are not just totally brainwashed nationalists.  They didn't get mega-rich enough to buy a baseball team through irrational, sentimental thinking.  

I think that if the club thought that trading Ichiro was in their best interests, they would do so.  Obviously, they would have to consider the teams revenues as well as how it would help the team in the standings.  However, these two concerns are more linked that a lot of Seattle fans think.  

You can argue about whether trading Ichiro would be in the teams best interest.  I, personally, think that they would be unwise to resign him after this contract, given his age and the cost.  Thus, trading him would make sense.  But to say that the team would never ever trade Ichiro under any circumstances is just foolish.  

People would have said the same things about Nomar and Sammy Sosa a year before they were dealt.  People would have said the same thing about Miguel Tejada just a few weeks ago, and it looks like that one will actually go down.  Things change.  

by Jerry on Dec 22, 2005 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Money talks Jerry, take a look
Nintendo, MasterCard Japan and Ajinomoto: renewed sponsorship agreements on 4/20/05- + Nintendo receives two half innings each home game on the rotational signage behind home plate- + MasterCard Japan receives one-half inning of home plate rotational signage. Ajinomoto under a one-year agreement designating the company the official supplier of amino acid-based drinks and amino acid-based supplements to the Seattle Mariners receives one-half inning on the home plate rotational signage to promote the Amino Vital® advanced sports performance supplement- + Ajinomoto will also provide Amino Vital in both dugouts and display the Amino Vital logo on hand towels in the dugouts

Sanyo Electric: 3-year deal signed on 4/20/05 includes one half inning of home plate rotational signage each game and a display center on the Main Concourse at Safeco Field to promote Sanyo Electric products- + Sanyo Electric has provided 70 42-inch plasma screen HD-capable televisions for use in various locations thruout Safeco Field

Hitachi: 1-year deal w/ one-year renewal option signed on 4/20/05- + Hitachi receives one-half-inning on the rotating home plate signage

Sato Pharmaceutical: 2-year sponsorship agreement signed on 4/20/05- + agreement includes includes one-half inning on the home plate rotational sign, display of the company logo on the padded railing in front of the home and visitors dugouts and on drinking cups and coolers provided for player use inside both dugouts.

You see, not only are we owned by the Japanese we get a huge chunk of revenue from Japanese corporate advertising and as far as I know the Mariners still maintain an agreement to telecast their games over there.

"the dumbest player I've ever met." --Larry Bowa, on Vincente Padilla

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 22, 2005 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, too....
It's well known that a lot of owners think with their hearts, not their heads, when it comes to their team. And, as well, a lot of the ownership group are nuveau rich, having made it rich in the tech boom of the 1990s; don't think the bottom line mentality is necessarily bedrock thinking for them...

by rtang on Dec 23, 2005 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't think...
the bottom line mentality is necessarily the bedrock thinking for corporations and capitalists?! LMAO, come on, it is all about the money.
"the dumbest player I've ever met." --Larry Bowa, on Vincente Padilla

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 23, 2005 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, but...
....it's part of my job to look at rich people.

When I profile them, some of them apply business sense to everything. Some of them don't; they treat sports teams as a toy and allow more emotion to color their decisions, as opposed to strict dollars and sense.

by rtang on Dec 23, 2005 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

No offense, but...
baseball is a business and the Mariners know where their bread is buttered.
"the dumbest player I've ever met." --Larry Bowa, on Vincente Padilla

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 23, 2005 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Missing the point
This same arguement seems to crop up every soo often.  

The point that people nearly always seem to miss is that winning is the best thing a team can do for the bottom line.  

If the team makes the playoffs, the organization will make more money than the do as a sub-.500 club.  

It is debatable that trading Ichiro would be a good way to improve the club.  But keeping Ichiro just because Japanese advertisers like him is just stupid.  That is a great way to keep losing.  

by Jerry on Dec 23, 2005 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Stupid is what stupid does...
Maybe Jerry but you seem to forget that the Mariners  are OWNED by the Japanese and Yamaguchi is fond of having Ichiro, a Japanese icon, on the team. Trading Ichiro is out of the question, period.
"the dumbest player I've ever met." --Larry Bowa, on Vincente Padilla

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 26, 2005 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly my point
If these types of considerations are given priority over baseball considerations, then this is just more of a sign that the organization needs to change their philosophy.  

Japanese advertising should never be a bigger issue than winning.  That is falty thinking.  

If moving a popular player helps the team get to the playoffs, or even win the WS, the advertising dollars won't be an issue.  

by Jerry on Dec 23, 2005 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

It is an issue...
when they control the purse strings.
"the dumbest player I've ever met." --Larry Bowa, on Vincente Padilla

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 23, 2005 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

No
I would totally love to see Theo come to Seattle, but there's no way anyone is trading Ichiro. Anyhow, what do people think would be the actual possibility of Epstein becoming Seattle's GM, since I doubt Bavasi will be around any longer than 2 more years, if that much?
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by JNR on Dec 22, 2005 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

You guys need to look around the league
I think Bavasi is probably in the top half of GMs around.  There are much worse GMs out there.  When all this is done with I bet that we will find out that alot of players didn't want to come to seattle and play.  If we were going to get Milwood, we probably woulld have had to pay an obsurd premium that Bavasi deemed too extreme.  I also think that Bavasi went for Washburn becuase he has had experience with him and trusts him more than a pitcher like Weaver.  If Milwood had required a deal that was 14mil/yr for 5 years (which is possible), I think Washburn is probably a better pickup (even though he is overpriced).  

I'm still trying to rationalize the Carl Everett signing and maybe I'll just wait until the season to worry about him.  My only thought so far is that Bavasi wanted to spend all the money in the payroll funds and so he picked up Everett.

Put yourself in Boras' shoes.  He knows Bavasi needs to sign a top SP to save his job and Bavasi can't really trade for one because we have nothing to trade so he forces us to sign some steep contract.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 23, 2005 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

Even still...
if you are forced into the big-contract corner (and let's even say that Millwood wouldn't come pitch for Seattle), Bavasi still could have done better. I would so much rather have Jeff Weaver than JW. It just reeks of his propensity to go for players from his old organizations. This will come back to haunt Bavasi, a la Spiezio. Hopefully not for a few years, but still...

by jtopps on Dec 24, 2005 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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