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The End Of Spiroid

It occurred to me that this is a more appropriate post than The End Of Greg Dobbs, since, as I mentioned below, the more I think about it, the less I see any reason for another team to put in a claim on the guy. Bats who hit for a decent average without walks or power are fine if they stay in the middle infield, but not when they come from a corner. Dobbs might be claimed by a go-nowhere team desperate for a lefty bat off the bench, but there's probably a better chance that he makes it through to AAA than that for which I initially gave credit.

But anyway, the real story here is that the Mariners wound up making the right decision in the end, sticking with Gil Meche instead of Ryan Franklin. Not that Meche is anything to write home about, per se (unless you're really mad at your family), but he's got more upside than Franklin, who remains the kind of generic arm that you can find on pretty much any North American street corner. If you want to put it another way, Gil Meche is sort of the "pleather" of modern pitching staffs, whereas Ryan Franklin's textile equivalent is more along the lines of recycled cardboard. I'd rather have Gil, maddening inconsistency and all.

Although he won't be missed, Franklin does leave behind a legacy in Seattle, one of several hundred innings of replacement-level pitching, a rather whiny and self-centered attitude, and a consistent run support problem suggesting that the fans weren't the only ones who didn't like him much. Which isn't to say that it was all bad - Franklin had his useful moments, and he was incredibly durable for as long as he was a Mariner - but after allowing 226 runs in two years and getting suspended for steroids, I don't think he really deserves an appreciative sendoff.

I think it's worth pointing out that Franklin isn't going to find a better environment than this one. Flyball pitchers who don't miss bats can only surive in so many places, with Safeco being at the top of the short list, so Ryan will have to make some adjustments if he hopes to stick around in the league for more than a year or two. The best move is probably to accept a demotion back to the bullpen, where he posted reasonable peripherals in his early Mariner career, but Ryan's a stubborn guy, and he hates pitching in relief, so who knows. He was willing to be the emergency starter at the beginning of 2005, but even then he must've known that Aaron Sele wouldn't last very long, so accepting a full-time bullpen role would probably be difficult for Franklin to stomach.

I suppose it's appropriate that as Jarrod Washburn arrives, Ryan Franklin departs, as one pitch-to-contact flyball pitcher gets swapped out for another. Let's just hope we grow to like the new guy a lot more than we did the last one.

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY
First the Doober and now Ryan Frickin' Flyball Roidin' Franklin.

My head is slowly creeping out of the sand...

by PositivePaul on Dec 20, 2005 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

May wanna put it back in
The Reed for Overrated Rox Starting Pitcher deal may have legs, and we may swing Meche for Patterson.

by Gomez on Dec 20, 2005 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

At which time...
...I will promptly purchase an Oakland A's hat and put the M's hat in the closet until Bavasi is fired or removed by an angry plebiscite.

by WriteWingConspiracy on Dec 20, 2005 10:47 PM PST reply actions  

So ....
Who do you guys like as possible NRIs or free-agent signings off the non-tender list?
"It is always darkest before the dawn ... which makes it the perfect time to steal your neighbor's sports section."

by Jim Thomsen on Dec 20, 2005 11:32 PM PST reply actions  

Mr. Byrnes
ERIC BYRNES!!!!!!

(You know I really mean it if I'm using that much punctuation.)

Also, Chad Bradford and Hiram Bocachica.  But mostly Byrnes.

Marinerds - a different daily dose of baseblog.

by Deanna on Dec 21, 2005 1:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Bradford!
Chad Bradford was actually the one that made me raise my eyebrows.  I just like the guy, so I'm not being totally rational.  But he was a lights-out setup guy only a couple seasons ago.  I don't see the harm in giving him a shot.

by WriteWingConspiracy on Dec 21, 2005 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

It's the traditional distaste for submariners
Basically, the M.O. on submariners:
  • The twisting and turning of their delivery leads to back and neck problems.  Bradford's already had two surgeries on his back.
  • When in a platoon disadvantage (i.e. righty submariner facing a lefty), their pitches seem to float to the batter, making it easier to hit.
  • Thus one of the submariner's nautral advantages over the hitter, difficulty seeing the ball, disappears against lefties.
  • Because they pitch in a different style, pitching coaches can't really help them with their mechanics.
  • Submariners don't get the velocity that overhand pitchers do.  A 90 mph fastball is super fast for a submariner.
  • "Nice Eckersley impression, poseur."
  • Their breaking balls are flat and useless unless they have great lateral movement.
I like submariners... but old school pitching coaches, scouts and managers don't share my sentiment.

by Gomez on Dec 21, 2005 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Touche
You're right.  Because of all of that, very few teams would give him a real shot, and certainly not the Mariners.  Wonder if he'll end up back in Oakland...

by WriteWingConspiracy on Dec 21, 2005 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm
I don't think what you're saying applies to all submariners so much as it applies to Chad Bradford as of late.  Shunsuke Watanabe, for example, is an amazing submarine pitcher.

And shouldn't that be "Nice Carl Mays imitation"?

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by Deanna on Dec 21, 2005 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Carl Mays once killed a man
just to watch him die.

Mike Torrez, now there's a Carl Mays imitation...  

by marc w on Dec 21, 2005 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope you're joking.
Otherwise, you need to read.
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by Deanna on Dec 21, 2005 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course I was joking
It would've been a very surreal sentence if I wasn't.  

by marc w on Dec 21, 2005 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, and a Bradford
'fastball' wouldn't kill a cockroach.  
It would just make it mad.  

by marc w on Dec 21, 2005 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No it doesn't
Those are just the backwards arguments personnel guys will use to explain why they never give submariners chances.  And I only used Eck's name because he's the most successful of the ones in this recent era.

by Gomez on Dec 21, 2005 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm
Mike Rose could be useful.

by RavingGoat on Dec 21, 2005 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Someone...
will definitely take a shot with Brazelton and  Byrnes (the killer B's). No one else I can think that's too worthwhile, other than what folks have already listed.

by basebliman on Dec 21, 2005 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

San Diego
is still negotiating with Brazelton.... they haven't given up on him just didn't want to go to arbitration with him.. according to the AP report.

by MfaninAlaska on Dec 21, 2005 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought...
if they didn't offer arb, that they couldn't negotiate again until May 1st? Am I mistaken on this?

by basebliman on Dec 21, 2005 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

that's too Free Agents
from what I understand... if you don't offer arb to a free agent you can't negotiate... if you non-tender, you are still free to negotiate until Jan 8th I think I read.

by MfaninAlaska on Dec 21, 2005 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh.
Not much.  I might take a flyer on Wade Miller, but that's about it.  

Jason Phillips as a backup catcher?  Since the M's seem to be collecting lefty relievers right now -- Trever Miller?  

by PositivePaul on Dec 21, 2005 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Former AL All Star pitcher Lance Carter
No, I'm kidding.  I just wanted to type that because I STILL think it's funny that guy got selected that one year when Tampa Bay had no one of substance on their 25 man.

What's the word on Reggie Sanders?  Who out there is pursuing him and how much would he possibly command?  I can't imagine someone who hit 271/340/546 with 21 jacks in under 300 ABs would have no demand whatsoever, even if he is old.

by Gomez on Dec 21, 2005 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

And yes
I understand the implications of bringing in a LF is that it sends one of Ibanez/Everett to the bench or leads to a need to trade one.  Not saying we should sign a LF, just saying it's an option if we're gonna take a flyer on somebody.

by Gomez on Dec 21, 2005 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Out of curiousity
This question is totally unrealistic, but bear with me.

Say Reggie Sanders makes it to the Hall of Fame (I know, I know, it's ridiculous). But since he's been with so many teams in his career, and has never been the "face" of a particular franchise, what cap does he wear in Cooperstown?

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Dec 22, 2005 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

For fun
Have a new-age 3D holographic display where fans can interchange the caps he's wearing at any time using computerized buttons near his HOF plaque.

by Gomez on Dec 22, 2005 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...
...if we're going to be using the spaghetti theory for pitchers, we might as well sign Wade Miller to a low base salary with lots of incentives type of deal.

by Tokyo Sam on Dec 21, 2005 8:39 AM PST reply actions  

Miller
I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on Wade Miller - if he can be had on the cheap.  He may be good insurance in case the #5 doesn't work out.
Evening Perambulations - It's All About Seattle Mariners Baseball

by irontech on Dec 21, 2005 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

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