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My Cheap Solution

By now, everybody and their mothers know that the Mariners are looking to add another bat, preferably someone cheap and left-handed who can fill in at DH or left field. Which, by itself, is all right with most of us, provided the rest of the money gets put into the rotation; the problem comes when you realize that Bavasi's looking at Carl Everett to fill that hole, someone who's neither a good player nor a good person.

Granted, the remaining options on the market are less than desirable, but consider what Everett would really bring to the table - he'd a bad outfielder, so he'd force Ibanez into left while sliding into the DH role, and his best-case offensive upside is somewhere around a .270/.330/.450 batting line, similar to the kind of performance you could get for the minimum from any number of guys in the minor league free agent pool. Carl Everett does nothing for this team, and there's absolutely no reason to guarantee him a few million dollars to prove that point over and over and over again.

Which is why I'm hoping for Jeromy Burnitz.

Stop laughing.

Here's the thing (things?) about Burnitz: he's cheap, he's available, he fills a need, and he's exactly the kind of player who'd be more valuable to the Mariners than anyone else.

Taken at face value, it's hard to see what there is to like - Burnitz will be 37 next year, and he's coming off a .757 OPS as an everyday right fielder in Wrigley. He's kind of a big guy, too, not real graceful in the field, and his long swing would invariably lead to a bunch of crushing strikeouts.

When you're searching for cheap solutions to roster holes, though, you have to dig a little deeper to see who's a match, and the more I look, the more I like the idea of Burnitz patrolling left field for the Mariners in 2006.

Burnitz has long been regarded as one of the most extreme lefty pull hitters in baseball, using his long swing to get ahead of fastballs over the plate and drive them down the right field line. It's not just reputation, either - over the last three years, nearly two-thirds (65%) of Burnitz's extra-base hits have gone to the right half of the outfield, with many of his home runs flying just past the foul pole. It's been a consistent trend for the duration of his career, and it's likely to remain intact as he ages. Whoever signs Jeromy Burnitz this winter is going to have a crazy pull hitter on their hands.

So, why Seattle? Safeco's vulnerable to left-handed hitters, of course. Here's the park factor breakdown for homer-friendliness in Safeco over the past four years (where 100 is average and >100 is homer-friendly):

Right-handed Hitters: 89
Left-handed Hitters: 121

Lefties have been able to hit for a ton more power in Seattle, in part thanks to the 327' right field line (along with a few other reasons). The batting average park factors are about even between lefties and righties - Safeco reduces them both about equally - but Burnitz is a distinct and fairly extreme flyball hitter, so he'd be able to take better advantage of the short porch without taking the same kind of statistical hit as many other hitters. In short, Safeco is the perfect home environment for a hitter like Burnitz, and he's probably the best left-handed sock we'll be able to get for the money we're looking to spend.

That's not it, either. Burnitz may look like a brick shithouse, but he's deceptively terrific with the glove - his ratings were positive across the board, with UZR ranking him an incredible +14 for 2005 (UZR, of course, being the best defensive metric we've got). Even if you want to call that kind of extreme performance a one-year fluke, we can still feel comfortable calling Burnitz a +5 or so in left field, which only makes him look better.

Think of it this way: if you sign Carl Everett, then you've got Ibanez playing in left field the majority of the time. If you sign Burnitz, then you force Ibanez to DH, and that's a 10-15 run upgrade before you even start talking about offense.

I don't think signing Jeromy Burnitz as a starter makes sense for too many teams, but the Mariners are definitely one of them. He's a perfect match for the team and the ballpark, with his offensive style well-suited for the short right field porch and his defense coming in handy for a contact pitching staff with a big outfield. For one year and a few million dollars, there's nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain. What's the downside? A decent glove with a .720 OPS? Fine, then you look at the standings come midseason and decide whether or not it's worth upgrading. But with an upside somewhere around Raul Ibanez's bat with a good glove to boot, I don't see why you'd turn him down in favor of some heap of bigot trash like Carl Everett.

Sign Jeromy Burnitz. Pour the rest of the money into the rotation. You won't be disappointed.

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Brilliant
I wonder if Bavasi reads this blog, because I don't see how you could argue with any of these points.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 11, 2005 7:23 PM PST reply actions  

Quick
Somebody hook Mr. Sullivan up with a direct e-mail addy to Bill Bavasi, STAT.

by Gomez on Dec 11, 2005 7:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Erm... that said
I still think he will be the bust of the offseason for whoever signs him, due to the Mike Lowell Principle: guys whose numbers live and die by the longball lose their value once they can't jack HR's anymore.

If he signs here, I obviously hope I am wrong.

by Gomez on Dec 11, 2005 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

If he signs with Kansas City
...yeah, he's screwed, and he's probably looking at an NRI in 2007.

Safeco's the kind of place that can make Burnitz feel like he's 28 again, though. It's the perfect environment.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 11, 2005 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank God!
Finally SOMEONE other than me covets signing Burtiz!

I agree 100% with that post.

Who else but Quaqmire? giggity, giggity, giggity, giggity Let's Have SEX!!

by Goose on Dec 11, 2005 7:32 PM PST reply actions  

Sounds convincing
but what are we going to do for a longer term solution for our LF woes.  Do you think Bohn, Choo, Strong, or Adam Jones will fit into that spot in a couple years.  If they don't, maybe we should go after a young OF now.

The only problem I can see with Burnitz is that he might want something over 1 year and he might not want to play for us this late in his career.  Both these problems go away if no teams go after him so I guess we'll just need to wait and see.

I wouldn't be furious with the M's if they didn't fill the LF/DH hole because pitching is much more important right now.  But this is assuming that we get a pitcher or two.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 11, 2005 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

many options
Explore trades, wait for a better FA market, wait for Jones, hope Doyle comes back. If we sign a guy like Millwood, Burnitz gives us a chance to do well next year and win back the fan base.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 11, 2005 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The purpose of a stopgap
is to hold the fort until something better comes around. I don't have a real good idea of what next year's free agent class looks like, but it's almost guaranteed to be better than this one, and I expect the spending to be a little more rational as well. If you sign Burnitz, you ride him through the season and hope that you can find a long-term solution in November. If you don't see one, then you just sign another stopgap. There are always guys like this hanging around.

And I don't think Burnitz gets two years. Maybe from the Royals, but if he has to choose between two years from them and one from us, I think he comes here, because we've got a better chance of competing, and he probably knows better than anyone else what kind of environment suits his skillset.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 11, 2005 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

How about trading for one of these guys
Indians
LF Coco Crisp Switch-hitter 0.300/0.345/0.465
CF Grady Sizemore LH 0.289/0.348/0.484
Phillies
CF Jason Michaels RH 0.304/0.399/0.415 but hits well vs. RHP
CF Shane Victorino Switch-hitter hit well in short appearance
Devil Rays
LF Carl Crawford LH 0.301/0.331/0.469
CF Joey Gathright LH 0.276/0.316/0.340
RF Aubrey Huff LH 0.261/0.321/0.428
Texas
CF Brad Wilkerson LH 0.248/0.351/0.405
Nationals
CF Ryan Church LH 0.287/0.353/0.466

I went to mlb3u.com and they had a list of what teams needed (I was lazy and didn't want to think).  We have a strong bullpen and so I looked for teams that had relievers to trade.  Most of these guys would be longterm solutions to our LF woes but they would be pretty pricey and we would probably need to trade some of our better arms.I think Shane Victorino would be a great player to get but I only lightly researched him.

I like your ideas Jeff with Burnitz but I'm trying to distract myself from studying for my physical chem final.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 11, 2005 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant
that i looked for teams that wanted relievers

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 11, 2005 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Ironically...
I'm trying to distract myself from studying for my inorganic chem final.

Anyway, let me try to do this in order:

-The Indians have no reason to trade either Crisp or Sizemore, as they're both cheap, effective, and under team control for a long time. They've already said "no" to a handful of Crisp suitors this winter.

-The Phillies look like they're trying to move Abreu before anyone else in their outfield, which tells you a little bit about how they value Jason Michaels. When the Yankees asked, Gillick requested Chien-Ming Wang, so that didn't go anywhere. Victorino had a great 2005 but I'm skeptical of guys coming off their first good season at the plate.

-Crawford's inked to a long-term deal, Gathright sucks, and Huff is an awful defensive corner outfielder who might hit a little bit with the Mariners, but who wouldn't be a long-term solution to anything.

-Texas is reluctant to move Wilkerson unless they get a good young pitcher in return, which we don't have to offer.

-Church would be an interesting experiment, but I'm generally skeptical of the development curves of people who strike out as often as he does without walking very much. I'm also not real high on his defense. His upside is Raul Ibanez.

With the kinds of players available to plug into the LF hole right now, I think we'd be better off signing a stopgap and waiting for more, rather than settling.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 11, 2005 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I guess
I just was dreaming when I saw some of these guys in a mariners uniform.  I agree that Gathright isn't very good but I just threw him on there because he exists.  (He would still be a better player than picking up Everett.)

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 11, 2005 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You've got the right idea
but...

Cleveland would be crazy to trade Sizemore.
Tampa Bay will not trade Crawford
What exactly is good about Joey Gathright? No power, low OBP, righthanded, plays a position already filled by Reed. The last player the Mariners would ever want to acquire. (hyperbole)

You've also forgotten the plethora of redundant Arizona hitters and the fact that they just traded two relievers for Johnny Estrada, and their bullpen was weak to begin with. At least one of Chad Tracy, Carlos Quentin, and Conor Jackson should be available.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 11, 2005 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem with...
waiting until next year is that Ibanez is a FA next year. So we'd have to re-sign Ibanez AND another FA or get two FA's. Here is a list of next year's crop:

http://www.mlb4u.com/0607FA.html

It appears to be a decent pitching market but the hitting market seems so-so. I would love to see the M's pursue Zito next year. As for a left handed hitter, well I still like Jones in this years FA pool.

"Bo Junior. After my dad. That's just straight redneck-ology, right there." --Blue Jay B.J. Ryan, on how his given name "Robert Victor" became "B.J."

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 12, 2005 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Ibanez being an FA
is that big of a deal.

Replacing a DH is remarkably simple.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2005 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps
however, within the context of the thread in signing Burnitz to a 1 year contract we would be faced with trying to replace two left handed bats with power, which as we currently see, isn't remarkably simple.
"Bo Junior. After my dad. That's just straight redneck-ology, right there." --Blue Jay B.J. Ryan, on how his given name "Robert Victor" became "B.J."

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 12, 2005 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget
That, aside from the usual salary room, we free up the additional $4 or so million we pay Ibanez.  Unless the guy goes 300/350/500 on us, I don't think he's in position to demand a huge raise.

by Gomez on Dec 12, 2005 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Also, by then
Adam Jones might be the center fielder, bumping Reed to left, and/or Clement might be the DH.

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 12, 2005 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Nooooooooooo
Burnitz just isn't the answer.  I'm not saying the answer is on the free agent market, I'm just saying it might take a sacrifice to find the answer.  I kind of do hope we get him now just to be able to say "I told you so".

That being said, I'd rather have Burnitz than Jones in a heartbeat.  Ugghhh.

by Geeves72 on Dec 11, 2005 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

um...
Jeff made a pretty convincing argument as to why Burnitz is a good idea, whereas all you've said is "no." Do you actually have something to back that up?

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 11, 2005 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Convincing to you maybe...
but certainly not to all of us. I would certainly take Burnitz over Everett any day of the week and if that were our only option then I'd say go for it but Burnitz, fortunately, isn't our only option. L.A. Confidential is a great movie BTW. ;)
"Bo Junior. After my dad. That's just straight redneck-ology, right there." --Blue Jay B.J. Ryan, on how his given name "Robert Victor" became "B.J."

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 12, 2005 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

You misunderstand
I'm not saying it's an open and shut case that Burnitz is the ideal solution, I just want to hear a counter-argument besides "no."

by Rollo Tomasi on Dec 12, 2005 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Scroll up
;)
"Bo Junior. After my dad. That's just straight redneck-ology, right there." --Blue Jay B.J. Ryan, on how his given name "Robert Victor" became "B.J."

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 12, 2005 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes!
I agree completely, in fact, Burnitz may be even better than Jones; he'll be much cheaper and his offensive numbers will probably be better in Safeco, plus his defense isn't shabby either. He's always been one of my favorite players actually, I really liked him when he was with Milwaukee and his swing is so cool, fun to watch. He would allow Seattle to then focus on pitching, both through trades as well as pouring in money for the Millwood hunt.
Abolish Work

by JNR on Dec 11, 2005 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

Defense
Jeff,
I agree that UZR may be the best metric we have, and that this may be damning with faint praise.  But UZR has consistently ranked Burnitz near the bottom of whatever outfield position he played.  Tangotiger compiled UZR runs for 4 seasons- 2000-2003 - and found Burnitz ranked in the bottom half of right fielders.  This isn't even getting in to the ill-fated Burnitz-as-starting-CF fiasco.  
I don't know why UZR had him as a great glove man last year.  What I do know is that basically every defensive metric has told us that he sucks, often, and with great gusto.  For one year, in his age 36 season, he was apparently great.  I don't buy it.  I have no idea how UZR could be wrong, but I'd say the burden of proof is on Burnitz and his agent (Tom Emanski's "Defensive Drills?").  I don't think +5 runs is the pessimistic case.  The pessimistic case is something like -15.
Now, maybe his platoon splits or extreme pull-hitting ways can overcome this.  But I think it's better to go into an aquisition like this believing that he's got to make up for some fielding deficiency instead of thinking that he's already saving runs.  My two cents...

2000-2003 UZR: http://www.tangotiger.net/UZR0003.html

by marc w on Dec 11, 2005 8:37 PM PST reply actions  

What's weird is that
I already had that spreadsheet saved to my computer, but I didn't think to look at it.

Based on the evidence, this seems to be the trend:

-Burnitz is a really, really bad center fielder
-He was a good left fielder in limited time in 2003 (+3 runs in less than half a season)
-He was slightly above average as an RF in 2004
-He was phenomenal as an RF in 2005

Given that, in the grand scheme of things, we know precious little about individual player defense, I'm not going to try to infer anything in particular from the above trend, but I don't think we can call Burnitz a disaster with the glove. Maybe I should tone down my "conservative" estimate, but I think the point of the post remains valid.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 11, 2005 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

What's also weird is that
Burnitz seems to be one of those guys that confuse the metrics.  It's not like Betancourt or Arod (at SS) where every measure had him pretty high.  
When defensive regression analysis was developed, Burnitz was excluded or at least pointed out as an outlier.  He was really good last year in UZR.  Even his solid 2004 (by some measures) looks really, really bad in Gassko's system (and RAA).  
Looking at his career, it's a real headscratcher.  He was okay in LF at the beginning of his career, and has had some solid seasons as measured by RAA lately, but even there, it's odd.  He's had a number of positive seasons as measured by RAA or RAR2/RAA2, including the 2004 that UZR and PMR think was so terrible.  
I don't know what to do with this.  I just think it's safest to think that he's not going to add anything with the glove at all and may in fact take runs off the board.  I'll be damned if I can find a trend in his career stats.  
Still, I agree that the point of your post, that dealt mostly with his offensive contributions, is sound.  I'm worried about bringing in a 36 year old 'slugger,' but in this market, anything that isn't a 3-4 year deal worth 20 million will make me happy.  
I'm still holding out for Eli Marrero, btw.  Does anybody have any info on his injuries?

by marc w on Dec 12, 2005 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: What's also weird is that
Believe me, I'm also usually against the idea of bringing in some old swing-from-the-heels cornfed slugger to start every day, but I think Safeco is the kind of place that can mask Burnitz's deficiencies pretty well. We'll still have to deal with a .750 OPS (or whatever) hitter on the road, but for one year and a few million bucks, I think it's worth it.

And as far as I know, Marrero should be fine for next year.

by Jeff Sullivan on Dec 12, 2005 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

mmmm.....versatility....
Check out marrero's platoon splits.
Marvel at the ability to catch in a pinch.
Appreciate his placement on this list.

Of course, he can't hit righties, which is somewhat important.  But as long as we're talking about cheap solutions, Marrero's a hell of a platoon partner for someone - maybe Burnitz?  You see, I'm all about the consensus.

by marc w on Dec 12, 2005 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to say
living in Chicago this past year, I saw plenty of Cubs games, and Burnitz valiantly failed to to live up to his reputation in the field as a cross between Ray Charles and FDR.  He's certainly not graceful, but he did not appear to be a liability either.

I like the idea of bringing in Burnitz for a few reasons - 1) he's not Carl Everett, 2) just a hunch here, but it seems like he could be had for a 1 year deal, which is much better than overpaying for many years for Jacque Jones, 3) he, like Alex Diaz, always manages to get dirty, even if he has the day off, 4) we don't need to give up Jeremy Reed to get him (only slightly related, I suppose), and 5) he's not Carl Everett.

by david h on Dec 11, 2005 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree on Burnitz
I have mentioned several times in the last two months that Burnitz and Weaver are the two best fits for the Mariners.  I am not saying they are the best overall players - just the best fits.  Also, less money required to sign them when compared to others like Burnett, Millwood, Jones, Damon, etc.

by KC @ Lookout Landing on Dec 11, 2005 9:18 PM PST reply actions  

Jones vs. Burnitz
Another good thing about Burnitz is that he hits righties and lefties equally.

Over the past three years...

Vs. LHP: .253/.301/.485
Vs. RHP: .264/.337/.494

Compare that to Jacque Jones over the same time frame...

Vs. LHP: .238/.295/.363
Vs. RHP: .280/.333/.474

Other good qualities about Burnitz, when compared to Jones: More power, shorter (cheaper!) deal, doesn't require a platoon.
Bad qualities about Burnitz, when compared to Jones: Older and not as good defensively.

So, on the whole, I too am starting to think Burnitz will be the better solution. Although I would take either over Carl Everett.
-Conor

"The secret of managing is to keep the guys who hate you away from the guys who are undecided." -Casey Stengel

by ConorGlassey on Dec 11, 2005 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

Then simply...
sit Jones vs. lefties and play Ibanez in left and DH Dobbs or Morse.
"Bo Junior. After my dad. That's just straight redneck-ology, right there." --Blue Jay B.J. Ryan, on how his given name "Robert Victor" became "B.J."

by AgentProvocateur @ Lookout Landing on Dec 12, 2005 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Well Geeze
Now people are getting it. This team has no need for some huge splash of an affensive player. Would it be nice to have Carlos Delgado if the M's decided to have a 115 mil payroll? Hell yes.

With a young and developing offense, you can't just discard young and cheap players in favor of more expensive and established players, when in the long run, they may not even be needed. All while, sacrificing much needed pitching help.

If everything were equal, I'd rather have Jaque Jones, but the reality is that the M's will end up being stuck with him for 3-4 years, when they can sign basically the exact same hitter in Burnitz for a year.

Burnitz isn't going to be an all-star, but the guy should embarrass himself either. I've been on the Burnitz bandwagon for a while now and I hope Bavasi is as well.

Hell, even overpay the guy for 1 year if you have to.

by PLU Tim on Dec 11, 2005 11:31 PM PST reply actions  

Perfect!
Another person I've lured in :-)

Burnitz is a lefty version of Buhner (true, too, according to BB-REF.com), but slightly more healthy.  He'll love Safeco, come cheap, short, and play solid defense.  

I don't know how they can't sign him.  In half his games at Safeco, he'd hit 30 HRs, with 90-100 RBIs.  Even at 37-38.  If they're looking towards Everett, I don't see how they can look past Burnitz.  

Nice to see someone with more credibility than I have in the blogosphere on the Burnitz bandwagon.  Is he the ideal fit?  No -- there are guys available  via trade who might be better.  But I'd prefer to save our "prospects" and spend the cash in this case.  

Low-risk, Medium-to-high reward.  I guarantee it!

by PositivePaul on Dec 12, 2005 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

This post and subsequent comments
echo what we talked about the other night almost identically Paul. Burnitz is a perfect stop gap option.

by Trent on Dec 12, 2005 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice Work
This is totally right on the money.  I couldn't agree more.  

Burnitz is pretty similar to Everett, but with more power and defensive value.  

This is without even talking about how Burnitz is supposedly a good clubhouse guy, while Everett is a genuinely aweful person.  

The only other guy I would add to this list (for the 5000th time) is Erubiel Durazo.  Who knows if he is healthy, but he is a perfect fit at DH.  Even if he is healthy, I wouldn't mind the M's picking him up and letting him get right.  He could be a great replacement for Ibanez later on, and on a cheap contract with a team option, it is another low-risk, high-reward move.  Plus, he would be a sweet bat off the bench while he recovers.  

by Jerry on Dec 12, 2005 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

My Problem...
With both Durazo and Everett, (and Frank Thomas for that matter, who'd probably hit better than any of 'em) really, is that it puts Ibanez back in LF.  Any potential solution has to keep Raul as DH (with the rare start in LF) or have him traded.  It's certainly subject for debate how 'good' Burnitz' defense is, but I think we can all agree he won't kill us in LF.  

I'm not saying we should rule out these guys totally.  But our first priority is to get a guy who can actually field out in left.  Every other position is pretty much taken currently (barring, of course, a trade).  

by PositivePaul on Dec 12, 2005 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

How about playing Nomar in LF.
He can hit as well as any of these guys but represents a longer term solution and could fill in for middle infield if there are any injuries.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 12, 2005 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Nomar's my second-favorite option...
But not for LF. And not for a long-term (i.e. 3+ year) contract.  A 1 year deal with a second year option of some sort.  

I'd love him as Lopez insurance/DH.  He could rotate around 2B/SS/3B/DH.  But, again, that means Raul in LF.  And, from what I've heard anyway, the rumor of him being willing to play in LF is just because of his desire to return to Chicago.  Maybe others have some different information.  However, at this point, I think sticking with Morse in LF would be a better option, defensively, than Nomar.  And, I've also heard that he has a couple of starting 2B/SS/3B offers on the table.    

However, if Lopez or Beltre are traded, then he instantly becomes my favorite FA option to replace 'em.  

by PositivePaul on Dec 12, 2005 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm kinda wondering how well
infielders can transition to the OF.  Some talk like its pretty easy but could Nomar or Morse be better than Ibanez with some practice.

by Edgar for Pres on Dec 12, 2005 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

one day later...
My goodness, they'd be reuniting 2/3 of the torrid Milwaukee trio of Burnitz/Sexson/Jenkins.  

That would be a hell of a lot of strikeouts though.  

Sports and Bremertonians. Because we can.

by wackomann on Dec 12, 2005 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

I'd rather have Burnitz up in the 9th against...
Street, KRod, FCordero than Morse Choo Jones Everett.  He and Hargrove are boys. We need a leader and Burnitz doesn't mind getting parallel to the ground.
FFFFF

by zesterhouse01 on Dec 12, 2005 5:12 PM PST reply actions  

By 'parallel to the ground'
Do you mean his falling over after a particularly violent strikeout?

by Graham MacAree on Dec 12, 2005 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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