NL Cy Young

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 10, 2005 12:21 PM PST in Seattle Mariners News, Regular

21-game winner Chris Carpenter.

NL Pitchers who were better than Carpenter this year, in order of FIP:

Roger Clemens
Jake Peavy

NL Pitchers who were better than Carpenter this year, in order of xFIP:

NL Pitchers who were better than Carpenter this year, in order of ERA:

Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Dontrelle Willis
Pedro Martinez

NL Pitchers who were better than Carpenter this year, in order of wins:

1. Dontrelle Willis

A much more reasonable choice than yesterday's, although I would've given it to the Rocket.

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Got it right this time, for sure...

But more likely because Clemens has quite a few already. Safe choice, that's for sure!

Go M's! Mariners Morsels (aka Free George Sherrill).

by PositivePaul on Nov 10, 2005 1:21 PM PST reply actions

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I woulda voted Clemens, too.

The voters seems to totally forget that it's not a Most Valuable Pitcher award.

It's the best pitcher. Whether the club won 100 games, 82 or 50, means nothing.

But the voters make it so.

by JasonAChurchill on Nov 10, 2005 2:15 PM PST reply actions

the Astros went all the way to the World Series and the Cardinals didn't. I know they aren't supposed to account for that when voting, but the guy put up a great season, especially considering his home ballpark, for a pitcher of any age. The fact that he is 42, should make it an even more obvious choice.

by basebliman on Nov 10, 2005 3:08 PM PST up reply actions

Well...

Since the voting takes place before the playoffs do, I don't think postseason numbers factor in...

Go M's! Mariners Morsels (aka Free George Sherrill).

by PositivePaul on Nov 10, 2005 4:05 PM PST up reply actions

I don't buy

that since Roger is 42, his accomplishments should count more.

by Matthew on Nov 10, 2005 7:33 PM PST up reply actions

Then let the stats...

do the talking. Take away the W-L record and they are better across the board except in walks and innings. The other stats, based on the amount of innings thrown work out in Clemens favor. Carpenter is a great pitcher who was on a great team, but Clemens had a better year.

by basebliman on Nov 10, 2005 8:48 PM PST up reply actions

You can criticize ERA...

but there is no argument with that completely retro, say historic, SP full-season 1.87. Finishing tops in FIP is icing on the cake.

Carpenter is very good. Doing what he did last season and in 2004 after sitting out a full season with double stitches is remarkable. But Rocket was the better pitcher.

JPWood

by JPWood on Nov 10, 2005 3:46 PM PST reply actions

Matsui signs

with the Yankess for 4 yrs and 48Mil, with an option for the 5th yr according to a Japanese news source. I guess one less Free agent on the market :p

by BeltredNOT on Nov 10, 2005 8:11 PM PST reply actions

Wow...

That doesn't seem very wise, if true.

by Jeff Sullivan on Nov 10, 2005 8:21 PM PST up reply actions

Have the Yankees

EVER made wise fiscal decisions? Have they ever needed to?

by Gomez on Nov 10, 2005 10:50 PM PST up reply actions

Wow indeed.

Got a link?

Who else but Quaqmire? giggity, giggity, giggity, giggity Let's Have SEX!!

by Goose on Nov 10, 2005 8:51 PM PST up reply actions

If it can be in Japanese, sure

http://www.mainichi-msn.co.jp/sports/major/news/20051111spn00m050013000c.html

maybe you can try sticking it into a interpreter or something to interpret it...

Not sure of any other site.
I don't think it's official yet, but it sounds like it's more than a rumor.

by BeltredNOT on Nov 10, 2005 10:25 PM PST up reply actions

Link

Here is the only thing I can find on Matsui. Doesn't appear that he's signed
yet.

Do I Have to Love These Guys?

by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Nov 11, 2005 8:43 AM PST up reply actions

Rumor

The above mainichi-msn article says that Cashman and Arn Telem (Matsui's agent) haven't reached an agreement yet, but that it's rumored that the Yankees are prepared to pay up to 4 years/$48 million.

And one of the "sources" mentioned for the $48 million figure is the New York Daily News. :P

by Tokyo Sam on Nov 14, 2005 1:11 AM PST reply actions