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10/21/01, Revisited

I still remember the last time I was totally crushed by the Mariners.

In fact, I remember it like it was yesterday.

The 2001 Seattle Mariners were one of the best teams any of us is ever going to see. You name it, they were good at it:

Runs: #1 in the league
BA: #1
OBP: #1
SLG: #4
SB: #1
ERA: #1
Defense: #1
Wins: #1

As much as it felt like the 2001 Mariners were always one piece away from being truly unbeatable, it's hard to look back and criticize Pat Gillick's midseason behavior (or lack thereof), because when a team stands at 76-30 at the trade deadline, swinging a trade or two runs the risk of shaking things up and spoiling what might be a very delicate clubhouse dynamic. Which isn't something you'll hear me say very often, but when a team is firing on all cylinders and playing near-flawless baseball for months at a time, I think you just have to go with what you've got and hope that whatever's keeping the team energized keeps up through the postseason.

The Mariners faced the biggest test of their will a few days after the deadline passed, when they blew a massive lead in Cleveland and lost by a run. Skeptics thought that would be the end of the magical run, that the M's wouldn't be able to handle such a crushing defeat, but the team came right back to win its next three games, a pretty impressive accomplishment, all things considered. That settled it - these Mariners were for real, and it didn't look like anything could slow them down.

Not even a little hiccup in the ALDS could stop their momentum. Despite getting shut out in game one and destroyed in game 3, Seattle got strong starts from Freddy Garcia and Jamie Moyer to put the pesky Indians away and advance to the ALCS. Once again, they had faced adversity and - instead of wilting under the pressure - overcame it rather convincingly, heading home to face a Yankees team that had finished 20 games behind Seattle in the regular season standings.

It was the perfect setup; the Mariners, one of the best teams of all time, were in good position to exorcise the demons that had haunted them since a six-game series loss to the Yankees the previous October. That was a series fraught with disappointment, from the seven-run eighth inning collapse in game 2 to the six-run seventh inning collapse in game 6. This time around, Mike Cameron would be better. Edgar Martinez would be better. Arthur Rhodes would be better. The 2001 Seattle Mariners weren't a fluke, and they were prepared to prove it on a national stage against the most storied franchise in sports history.

...and then bad things started happening. Andy Pettitte took control of game 1, Mike Mussina took control of game 2, and all of a sudden the Mariners were faced with the prospect of having to win four of five games to advance, with the Yankees now owning home-field advantage. It wasn't supposed to go like this, and after four innings of game 3, it looked like the M's were just dead in the water, having expended all of their energy just to get this far.

Five innings and 14 runs later, though, the Mariners had a big win and all the momentum in the world, finally deciding to show up and make a series of this thing. Coming back from a two-run mid-inning deficit to blow Orlando Hernandez out of the water was no small task, and the M's had succeeded. The team had new life, and everybody knew it. The stage was set for a critical fourth game, and if some guy named Paul Abbott could somehow manage to beat Roger Clemens in New York, then that would only go to prove that the 2001 Mariners truly were something special.

Abbott - owner of perhaps the luckiest 17-win season in baseball history - would post one of the strangest postseason pitching lines in baseball history, keeping the Yankees hitless through five innings, but walking eight. It was a problem that had plagued him through the year, and a disciplined New York offense worked him into a ton of deep counts. The issue was that they couldn't take advantage of their baserunners, thanks in part to a pair of mistakes on the basepaths in the second inning. The end result of it all was that Abbott matched zeroes with Clemens, and that after five innings, neither starter remained in the game.

Norm Charlton was one of the more unlikely stories in baseball in 2001, returning to Seattle to post a 3.02 ERA out of the bullpen after going under the knife on 23498234 separate occasions in the years leading up. Lou Piniella handed him the ball to start the bottom of the sixth, but three batters later, the Yankees had two on with just one out in a 0-0 game. Piniella turned to Jeff Nelson - who had a 2.76 ERA of his own that year - but he walked the first batter he faced, Shane Spencer, to load the bases. Scott Brosius wasn't anything special, but surely, a guy with that kind of clutch reputation was bound to lift a fly ball to the outfield to drive in a run at the very least, right?

No dice. Nelson induced one of the biggest 4-6-3's I can remember, getting the Mariners out of the inning while preserving the tie. It was precisely at that point that we all began to think that someone was watching over us and guiding our beloved M's to the Series. There couldn't possibly have been any other explanation.

The seventh inning came and went, and so did Ichiro and Mark McLemore in the top of the eighth. But then MVP candidate Bret Boone stepped into the box to face Ramiro Mendoza and launched a ball deep to left-center field that put the Mariners ahead. This was our series. The Yankees could take two in Seattle, but the M's were about to return the favor, and there was no stopping this ballclub once it got started. In 2001, you couldn't have done much better than handing a lead over to Arthur Rhodes and Kazuhiro Sasaki. That's exactly what Piniella did, and after Rhodes struck out noted nemesis David Justice to lead off the bottom of the inning, you had to feel like the game was in the bag.

Bernie Williams disagreed, and Arthur Rhodes' Yankee nightmare picked up where it left off. With one swing of the bat, the lead was erased and the Stadium fans came alive. Tino Martinez and Jorge Posada would go down quietly to end the eighth, but New York was sending Mariano Rivera out there to keep the M's at bay, and deep down, you knew that the bullpen would have to hold the fort until Rivera was out of the game and the lineup could face someone human.

Olerud groundout. Javier out bunting. Cameron pop out. That was fast. To the bottom of the ninth we go. Sasaki had slapped together a great season, but did he have two innings in him? Would he be able to match Rivera the way Abbott had matched the Rocket earlier in the same game?

Agony.

The Yankees built a quick lead on Aaron Sele in game 5 and went on to win 12-3. Four years later, we haven't seen the Mariners make it back to the playoffs.

And I still have a bitter taste in my mouth.

Game Boxscore

Biggest Contribution: Bret Boone, +25.2%
Biggest Suckfest: Kaz Sasaki, -35.8%
Most Important Hit: Boone homer, +28.5%
Most Important Pitch: Soriano homer, -36.2%
Total Contribution by Pitcher(s): -17.8%
Total Contribution by Hitters: -32.7%

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Thanks again, Jeff
for the beautiful post. I have to admit I'd never thought anout the fact that that was the last playoff appearance - probably because of the two 93-win seasons that followed.

I was just thinking the other day about Stan Javier's heroics, in which game I can't remember, but he stole a home run in left field and hit a home run in the game, and my hope-meter raised a touch, though I think I knew the M's were going to blow it.

I was at game 1 of that series (I think it was game 1), and either shortly before or shortly after Knoblauch hit a single on the first pitch of the game, I remember cursing Pinella for starting Aaron Sele...a propos of nothing, I suppose, other than to somehow stick a finger in that wound that seems to be perpetually open; I call it the 2001 Mariners.

by peterpeter on Oct 14, 2005 11:58 PM PDT reply actions  

And
when Javier threw the bat at a pitch out on a hit and run and got a base hit through the six hole :)

by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 15, 2005 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

What did we do?
I still want to know what we did to piss off the baseball gods that much that they would deny us a world title that year.

The Yankees won 114 in 1998 and got their title, when the Cubs won 116 in 1906 they got their title.

It should of been freaking automatic!!

Still bitter.....

Who else but Quaqmire? giggity, giggity, giggity, giggity Let's Have SEX!!

by Goose on Oct 15, 2005 12:00 AM PDT reply actions  

we win that series,
and of course the world series following that, is there any doubt that's the greatest team ever?

by sactown257 on Oct 15, 2005 12:53 AM PDT reply actions  

If we would of won the World Series that year
Im my mind that would of cemented that team as the Greatest Team in the history of baseball.
Who else but Quaqmire? giggity, giggity, giggity, giggity Let's Have SEX!!

by Goose on Oct 15, 2005 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sterling as usual...
We've always referred to that 2001 team as baseball history's best ballclub.

The DER was off the charts; the bullpen was celery-crisp; Ichiro's leading off created offense on a night-in, night-out basis.  (The SD of runs scored was unusually low for a team with so many runs.)

But it is one thing to efficiently pole-axe teams when your #4-5 starters go against their #4-5's ...

And another thing to have the better marquee players.

The 2001 season was the year that well-and-truly locked in for me Chuck Knox' Sixth Law:  Big games are won by great players.

It is controversial, but nobody who has ever played 3-on-3 in the inner city doubts it.  The team that has the Michael Jordan type has a huge advantage.

When they hit the bright lights, the Yankees had Mussina & Co.  Not everything in sports is measured by sabermetrics.  :-)

Great article,
Dr D

by DrDetecto on Oct 15, 2005 1:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Remember too....
The 2001 M's did not just have trouble in the ALCS.

They were disappointing in the first round also.

And disappointing the year before, in the playoffs.

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You can blame it on "short-sample luck"; that is one interpretation.

My interpretation is that the 2000-2002 Mariners were built to win in the regular season.

Cheers,
Dr D

by DrDetecto on Oct 15, 2005 1:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Why on earth.....
Would you post that game? That is the single most depressing sports moment in my entire life. If I were to post something that long about that GOD AWFUL GAME I would probably burst out into tears.

Seriously-love this site, but are you trying to torture us Jeff?

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by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Oct 15, 2005 7:49 AM PDT reply actions  

While we're wallowing in our misery......
I went to Game 3 of the Cleveland series that year. I think we left in like the 6th. Now that was a terrible game.

Nothing worse than being on the East Coast for the playoffs in 2000 and 2001.

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by BaltimoreMarinersFan on Oct 15, 2005 7:51 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not ashamed to say
That I cried after that game.

I was devastated

MajorMajor

by MajorMajor on Oct 15, 2005 9:22 AM PDT reply actions  

The REAL Disappointment
Not only am I pissed off at the terrorists for blowing up the WTC, BUT I'm also pissed off because of what it did to the Mariners.

After being stranded in Anaheim (yet another reason why I hate the Angels), they came home to finish the series, and won the series 3-1.  However, because of the layoff, they lost that edge.  After losing the final game to Anaheim, they flew down to Oakland and proceded to be swept -- the only time that season they lost more than 2 games in a row.

Sure, one could argue that they'd clinched the division, so they let down their guard.  Well, I personally don't think that's the case.  I believe their guard was let down, rightfully so, at a time when our country just took one in the 'nads.  

My wife was in the hospital on 9/10, having been sent their by her OB/GYN to induce our son the next day.  They were going to watch her through the night, and deliver on 9/11.  When we woke up and saw the news, the doctor was pretty convinced that it wouldn't be a good day to deliver, and she'd be fine for another couple of weeks.  

After leaving the hospital myself, after what had just happened in New York, I, for one, was thrown for a pretty wacky loop.  I mean, heck, we were about to bring a child into a world that had changed forever.  It certainly changed my focus and my life.

So, in spite of having clinched on the 19th, like me, and I'm sure quite a few of you, the M's just absolutely had changed their perspective.  I'm quite certain that the whole 9/11 situation had a major impact on the rest of the season for the M's.

It showed in how they played.  Yes, they were 12-6 after 9/11 (a winning percentage of .666, mind you), but they definitely weren't the same team going into the playoffs.  They barely squeaked by in the ALDS, and when it came to facing the Yankees, you knew that the Yankees had a little something extra holding them up.  They ultimately lost the 'Series, but, for America, they had to play in the 'Series.  

I personally believe that 9/11 sucked whatever good karma existed in the team out, and it still is nowhere to be found.

by PositivePaul on Oct 15, 2005 9:58 AM PDT reply actions  

waiting
I waited for someone to make an argument like this, but to me it'd have more credence if it only affected one team.  Every team had to deal with 9/11, not just the Mariners.  The fact that they lost a step afterward is their fault, not 9/11's fault.  

If anything, the 2001 Rainiers should be pissed off because they didn't get a chance to play for an outright PCL championship (the final series got cancelled, if memory serves right).  

By the way, I still take pride in the fact that I didn't watch Game 5 of this series at all.  That's Aaron Sele's legacy.  I knew it, and everyone knew it.  They had no chance after Game 4 was tied at 1-1.  It was over from that moment.  

Still, I have to say that Rhodes' fate in the 2000 ALCS was quicker and arguably more heartbreaking.  

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by wackomann on Oct 15, 2005 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

But, but....
I waited for someone to make an argument like this, but to me it'd have more credence if it only affected one team.  Every team had to deal with 9/11, not just the Mariners.  The fact that they lost a step afterward is their fault, not 9/11's fault.  

Except that the Yankees themselves had something extra to play for.  Going into the ALCS against the Yankees, I knew the M's had an extra tough battle.  That's what I'm talking about here.  Only 4 AL teams went into the playoffs, and of these four teams, the M's were the most adversely affected by the whole thing.  They'd lost their momentum, and going into the ALCS, that was key.  Having to face the Yankees in the ALCS proved extra hard.

Sure, all teams were affected by 9/11.  But, since the whole 2001 season was about momentum and total focus for the M's, especially for the pitching staff (Paul friggin' Abbott; Aaron Friggin' Sele?), it's no wonder the M's lost it in the playoffs.

by PositivePaul on Oct 15, 2005 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

adding
Just adding to the healthy debate here.  

The Mariners were 104-40 after a win against the Angels on September 10th.  They next played on the 18th.  

The Mariners won the first two games after the 9/11 shutdown, then dropped the next four, which made just about everyone wonder what the hell was going on, or if it was just the adversity we'd waited the whole season for the team to finally encounter.  They had to stumble sometime, right?  The team's worst losing run was six of eight, and they'd never lost three straight on the year heading up to that point.  Here they were losing four straight.  

Then they ended the 2001 regular season by winning 10 of 12.  The starting pitching was mostly good in the stretch from a quick look at the boxscores.  The only hiccups I saw were Paul Abbott walking six Angels on the 30th (a 14-5 Mariner win) and Jamie Moyer getting drubbed on the 29th (Mariner loss).  

So to me it looked like during that final stretch of twelve games, the Mariners' starting rotation had gotten a good portion of their swagger back, and the offense was scoring a decent load of runs (88 runs with my quick look and quick math, though they reached double digits three times).  

I guess I'd have to say that after 2000, I was afraid of Arthur Rhodes in key situations in the postseason.  I was mortified.  As for Kazu Sasaki, however unfair this was, I was reminded of a game in Oakland on June 20th of 2001 where the Mariners had a 4-3 lead with two on and two out in the ninth, and Eric Chavez slapped a homer down the leftfield line to walk off.  

Anyway, just an addendum to the preceding, I guess.  

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by wackomann on Oct 15, 2005 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like these retrospectives
Sometimes they're depressing, but they're so well written and the combination of the Win Expectancy chart just makes them so interesting to look back on.

I remember this game because my roommate and most of my dorm kept bugging me about how the Mighty Mariners had collapsed. It hurt even more when the Flukey Angel's won it all.

by bluemax on Oct 15, 2005 1:00 PM PDT reply actions  

We should Recall
That even if the Marines had won this game, it would still have been Aaron Sele in game 5 and the series only tied.  And it was really Oakland who totally blew it, Jeremy Jiambi not sliding and all.  If the Yankees had not been in Prima Donna land from 9/11, it probably would have been Oakland and the M's, and  who knows where that would have gone.

It did feel like we had a shot after Boone's HR, but that was the wishful thinking of good fans.  Four years have made me a lot more cynical about predicting what happens to the Mariners.  With the exception of 2001, the Mariners since '95 have always been a disappointment.  They always seem to play worse as time goes on.

by BlueBaron on Oct 15, 2005 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I was there
It was amazing and utterly painful at the same time. I was so happy when Boone hit that HR and it all came crashing down, with 50,000 Yankee fans yelling around me.

by phil333 on Oct 15, 2005 10:26 PM PDT reply actions  

ugh
One of the worst nights of my life.  I've rarely felt as saddened as when this game ended.  But great recap.  

by SankTheTank on Oct 17, 2005 9:01 AM PDT reply actions  

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